Hey if anyone is good at this stuff and wants to make a new friend im on aol as fcoolyouthief and my icq number is 65211939 and my site is at http://www.angelfire.com/ar2/fcoolthief I just started studying C++ in school (slow correspondence). and would like some friends who know this stuff! It's fun to learn with a friend. especially when a web page cant answer all your questions!I know a little about a lot and would like to change that first little to alot but I just could use some folks to get me in the saddle and I think I'll be alright from there if I can get those first few rides in. I might be able to take the bull out on my on!...I hope any way I guess I'm just rambleing on cause I don't know where to look next though understanding the structure of things in programming in general would help everything I run seems to not unerstand what Im saying because Im looking for things to be easier than they are Like my last program I was trying to construct like this if button = true then start count in window from 0000 to 9999 but any ways anyone ever seen a stop watch program any where I could look at. seems like all the examples Ive seen are differnt from the code im looking for to learn and I end up not learning what I want to I guess theres no quick method I just have to start at the beginning and hope for the best!?!