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Tom Henricksen
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Joined: Mar 23, 2004
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I recently got back from the No Fluff Just Stuff or the Twin Cities Software Symposium. I really learned a lot. The topics were pretty good. Web Frameworks and persistence Frameworks were big. Tapestray, Spring, Hibernate and AOP. Has anyone else gone to one of these? My company is too cheap to send me to JavaOne. Most of the presenters were authors and were quite knowledgable. They also freely spoke of the products limitations. Bruce Tate was a great presenter. I like his honest approach.
Tim McGuire
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Joined: Apr 30, 2003
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I went to the twin cities Symposium too and I got a great deal out of it.
The speakers were excellent. In particular, if anyone gets a chance to see Stuart Halloway speak, jump at the chance. He spoke about Reflection, AOP, and Class Loaders, and combined guru level knowledge with really entertaining speaking skills. He justified the cost of the conference by himself.

One thing that I appreciated was that no one was hocking a product or pushing their religions too much. The attitude was pretty much, "we like working with Java in spite of its flaws, which by the way are......."
Dirk Schreckmann

Joined: Dec 10, 2001
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I wish I'd been there.

Would either of you go, again?

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Junilu Lacar

Joined: Feb 26, 2001
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Originally posted by Tom Henricksen:
Bruce Tate was a great presenter. I like his honest approach.

Bruce spoke at our local Java Users Group meeting the other night but he decided not to do his planned presentation on persistence frameworks. Instead, he launched into an hour and a half long review of the persistence landscape, the history of the different choices like JDBC-POJO, Toplink, J2EE BMP and CMP, JDO, and Hibernate, among others and his thoughts on where it was all heading. I was a little disappointed because I was hoping he'd talk more about the practical aspects of JDO and Hibernate and because I didn't win a door prize, one of which was free admission to No Fluff Just Stuff. It looks like they do have a lot of stuff going on though, with presentations by Dave Thomas, Bob Martin, Jason Hunter and others.

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