Jason, I agree about not confusing the two. Some (but not all) of the junit tutorials include TDD. And even more of the articles on TDD include pair programming.
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Originally posted by Jason Menard: Just my two cents, but I would be careful about confusing test driven development (TDD, aka test-first design), a development methodology, with JUnit, a framework. Creating good unit tests does not require that TDD principles be used.
That's the problem when you know just enough to cause trouble. I had thought they were mutual predicates. Now it looks like I have to learn TDD just so I know when and when not to apply it. Thanks for all the responses so far. I'll be palying with some of the tutorials and walk-throughs this weekend. Tom
Originally posted by Jason Menard: Creating good unit tests does not require that TDD principles be used.
Agreed. TDD is more about creating a good design of the production code than about testing. High test coverage is more of a side effect of TDD.
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For what it's worth - I used the tutorials they point you to when you download JUnit and I got it working reasonbly well. I think the biggest challenge was figuring out how to set-up the part that ran all my tests and how to use it from the Swing GUI. Now I use it from Ant and that took a little figuring out too. If you are using Ant, I'd recommend Erik Hatcher and Steve Loughran's Java Development with Ant - also published by Manning. There are examples on how to set-up Ant with JUnit and how to run the reports that the Ant task can generate. Here's some more JUnit resources: Scott Davis, the Ex-President of our local Java User Group did a talk on JUnit for our Basic Concepts. Here's his ZIP file: http://denverjug.org/bc/junit.zip. Sort of interesting that Patrick Linskey was the featured speaker and he's co-author of Bitter EJB. The other JUnit resource I'm going to point to is Mike Clark, another co-author of Bitter EJB and author of JUnitPerf. He spoke to our JUG on Bitter EJB but he also gave a great talk on JUnit to the XPDenver user group. Agile Design and Testing With JUnit was the name of the talk and it was sponsored by Net Objectives. Here's a link that describes Mike's talk (which was terrific by the way) and here's a link to his notes. He also does Test Driven Design and I believe he talked about that but as others have mentioned, you do not have to do TDD to start using JUnit. Hope this helped -