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Importance of IBM UML certification

Anonymous
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Hi all,
If any one can tell me the importance of IBM's certification for Visualage and UML...
Thanks
Wali
Anonymous
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Hi If any one can please give some advice!
Michal Harezlak
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I am not really sure what you mean, although UML is definitely here to stay and gradually becomes industry's standard so it might be a good idea to learn it. I personally, use certification to show my clients that my knowledge level is up to date and in line with what industry leaders recommend. I do not think that certifications can be used to prove that you have master any particular practical skill. In my opinion it is relatively easy for people with well train memory to pass any kind of choice test. (Unfortunately I am not one of them: - ( ), but it doesn't mean they become sufficient enough in applying this technology. UML:486's objectives and recommended readings for this test seems to be pretty good guidance to learn UML and the exam is Free till the end of the year so I would say it is rather decent deal.
[This message has been edited by Michal Harezlak (edited September 14, 2000).]
Anonymous
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Thanks a lot Michal .
sudheer shanbhag
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hi
any credible certification is good for that matter. well if not for your personal sake, you can atleast use it to show an interviewer, a client that you are certified and you can handle the job well.

sudheer
Preety Agarwal
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Joined: Sep 28, 2000
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Some one can advice me where to get more details about UML certification from IBM. Since i have done a lot of work on UML and not aware about the certification until now. May it would be good for me check out my skills since as mentioned in this post that the test is free till the end of year.
Preety
Himan Sri
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Joined: Oct 03, 2000
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Hi Preety,
you can find info about the exam here http://www-4.ibm.com/software/ad/certify/des486a.html
This link too is useful as it lists the pros and cons of taking the exam http://www.objectsbydesign.com/tools/certification.html.
Good Luck
Himan Sri
[This message has been edited by Himan Sri (edited October 11, 2000).]
debbie collins
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It seems like certifications are most useful when new to a subject area. They do not prove true knowledge because even though someone can pass a test, it does not necessarily follow that they can apply the techniques in the test. Sometimes the certification is too broad, also. Altough I have never taken a certification test, I have had no trouble proving my abilities and getting good positions.
Debbie
Anonymous
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The key for certification is acceptance by whoever it is that you want to impress. As a hiring manager, I have very little respect for certification. I have found that, in general, those most likely to be certified are those with no real experience. I don't think that I have ever made a hiring or interviewing decision based on certification.
Preety Agarwal
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Dear Mr. Dave
My expeience is that i have lot of theory knowlwdge and given an opportunity to work i can do a lot better than people with a little practical experience. However those who are lucky get to progress from whatever they are doing. However those unlucky ones are left with only three options as no body wants to hire any body without real experience even if trhey are more capable.
1.try for a certification
2.give up
3. bluff
Why are the employers so relectant to give people a chance to prove themselves.
Can you please advice to my side of the table as you are on the other side of the table
I would really appreciate your comments
Thankyou
Preety Agarwal
Preety
shailesh sonavadekar
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i definitely agree with Preety. If certification is not the criteria for hiring , then what is ? I would definitely like to know about this ? If certification of any sort is not importantt , then why so many people are becoming certifed in java , in cisco , in microsoft technologies , you name it , you will find certification for that. The Employers are also reling on these certifcation. Otherwise people wont spend their time , energy & money on these certification.

mr. Dave Graham , there are 99 % hiring managers who ask for ceertifcation of any sort. Everybody wants experienced programmer , manager , leader etc. Then , who will give opp. to inexperienced people. They are theoretically strong , they will definitely work fine in actual work. Then , to whom you hire ? How you get people without certification , as best people. In internet era , where technology is changing so fast , where people are finding it difficult to cope with change & pace.I don't know how you get people who prove you that they are good in something without showing any certification.
I will definitely like to be part of your company . It is nice to hear that some companies in the world don't beleive in certifcation.
I am definitely waiting for your reply.

bye. regards.
Micheal Jordan
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Joined: Jul 24, 2006
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Certifications are good for beginners and MAY NOT BE required for experience people... that does not mean that experienced people should not learn.... Certifications are NOT the indicators of excellency but they are the indicators of awarenes..

A certified person is aware the most of features in a tool or in a language than the experienced person working in the same field..

When we respect CPA and other certifications, why NOT computer certification. ... in a changing software dynamics, cerifications are essential to know atleast about the changes...

Jordan M.
Adeel Ansari
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Originally posted by Dave Graham:
The key for certification is acceptance by whoever it is that you want to impress. As a hiring manager, I have very little respect for certification. I have found that, in general, those most likely to be certified are those with no real experience. I don't think that I have ever made a hiring or interviewing decision based on certification.


Cent percent agreement.

Certification works as a complement for experience professionals. On the other hand certifications will give you the bright chances to get in if only fresh professionals are considered. We have some cases where we dont want a hifi experience, may be because we dont need that real expertise to perform that job or we dont want to pay that much for that particular job.

Sometimes we want fresh people and there certifications work. But again certification would be a complement, can't make the decision on the basis of a certification, indeed.
Ilja Preuss
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Guys, you revived a *six* years old thread, which sounds rather pointless to me.

Closing...


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