Karthik Shiraly wrote:All people were given an opportunity to participate and have their say peacefully
Ulf Dittmer wrote:Well, yes and no. My understanding is that Scots not living in Scotland (a group thought more likely to vote No, and otherwise allowed to vote) were not allowed to participate, and that Scots of age 16 and 17 (a group thought more likely to vote Yes, and otherwise not allowed to vote) were allowed to participate. So it's not like the organizers did not try to stack the vote in their favor. It would be interesting to know whether the British PM knew of this setup when he agreed to respect the outcome of the referendum.
Campbell Ritchie wrote:The electorate was defined the same way it would have been for any election.
Matthew Brown wrote:The way the referendum was run was down to an agreement between Alex Salmond and David Cameron.
Campbell Ritchie wrote:Referenda are unusual in UK.
Ulf Dittmer wrote:
Campbell Ritchie wrote:The electorate was defined the same way it would have been for any election.
I stand corrected, then. What I had read implied otherwise.
Chris R Barrett wrote:I have to say, I really didn't care about this referendum until I read this thread and received Jeanne's updates tonight via email.
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:The electorate was defined the same way it would have been for any election.
No more Blub for me, thank you, Vicar.
Matthew Brown wrote:For example, Salmond proposed putting a third option on the ballot - DevoMax (increase devolution of powers to the Scottish government short of independence). Which would probably have won, but Cameron vetoed that, presumably because he was fairly confident at the time of No winning without the third option. Ironically, after the poll that showed Yes might win they had to promise DevoMax to clinch it.
No more Blub for me, thank you, Vicar.
Ulf Dittmer wrote:
Campbell Ritchie wrote:The electorate was defined the same way it would have been for any election.
That 16 and 17 olds can vote seems to be something that was especially added for this referendum, though: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-23074572, they would not normally be allowed to do so (hence http://www.votesat16.org/).
No more Blub for me, thank you, Vicar.
Karthik Shiraly wrote:
Campbell Ritchie wrote:Referenda are unusual in UK.
Interesting bits of history in your replies. I had no idea there had been referendums of similar importance in Northern Ireland and Wales in the 70s, though if I understand them correctly, those were not for breaking away as full fledged independent countries.
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chris webster wrote:Except that for this to happen, Westminster really would have to give up a lot more power to the English assembly, so I expect we'll continue to see a lot of "constitutional experts" furrowing their brows and telling us all the reasons why this is not possible.
Matthew Brown wrote:Rather than an English regional assembly, I'd prefer to see several English regional assemblies. I think it's a mistake to think of England as one homogeneous mass.
Matthew Brown wrote:What the Tories are more likely to push for, I suspect, is a rule where the "English regional assembly" is actually Westminster, with all the Scottish, Welsh and Irish MPs waiting outside.
No more Blub for me, thank you, Vicar.
That is called the West Lothian Question after Tam Dallyell (pronounced Dee′ell) who was MP for Linlithgow (in West Lothian) who famously propounded it in a form everybody could understand.chris webster wrote: . . . "English votes for English laws" . . .
Quite rightly.chris webster wrote: . . .
Yes, DevoMax would probably have won the vote in Scotland . . .
chris webster wrote:
Matthew Brown wrote:What the Tories are more likely to push for, I suspect, is a rule where the "English regional assembly" is actually Westminster, with all the Scottish, Welsh and Irish MPs waiting outside.
Likewise!
Chris R Barrett wrote: Is the feeling that the vote result means the issue is dead and the country can move on?
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Per the posts above, there are changes coming to the UK government even though the referendum didn't pass.
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