XP lifecycle

[Johannes de Jong]

I read the following somewhere :

One of the discussions centers around a lifecycle of Listen (requirements) -> Test -> Code -> Design. Listen closely to customers while gathering their requirements. Develop test cases. Code the objects (using pair programming).

Does this imply that only the coding is done in pairs ?.

[martin fowler]

I guess it would be tricky to listen on your own :-)
All parts of XP are collaborative, but there's special emphasis on programming because it's so new to many people to do that in a collaborative way.
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Refactoring : Improving the Design of Existing Code
UML Distilled, Second Edition: A Brief Guide to the Standard Object Modeling Language
Analysis Patterns : Reusable Object Models
Planning Extreme Programming

[Johannes de Jong]

A geek with a sence of humor , saw you posting elsewere where you called yourself one.

By the way : The Agile Alliance what next a company, one product, (like UML) or just a bunch of geeks having fun sking, eating etc.
And whilst I have youre attention, do you know of any companies in the Netherlands that use XP.
Thanks, for your time.

swear PP was invented for people that can't spell

[This message has been edited by Johannes de Jong (edited April 05, 2001).]

[martin fowler]

The Agile Alliance is nothing more than a web site ( http://agilealliance.org/ ), a manifesto, and the personal relationships behind it. We don't expect any unified agile whatsit - because we actually think there should be many different processes for different kinds of problems.
If you're interested in XP in the Netherlands, I'd post a question to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/extremeprogramming/

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author of:
Refactoring : Improving the Design of Existing Code
UML Distilled, Second Edition: A Brief Guide to the Standard Object Modeling Language
Analysis Patterns : Reusable Object Models
Planning Extreme Programming

[Johannes de Jong]

Thanks Martin I'll post a message.

[David Roberts]

Martin,
I presume some new process guidelines will come out in the form of a paper or book. Is their any timeline on when we might see some detailed info on Agile Methodologies?

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David Roberts - SCJP2,MCP