Got certified saved $150.00, No Score

[Bal Sharma]

Hello Everybody:
I got certified this morning. Don�t ask me my score? I saved $150.00. I barely passed just 62%. I got only 37 questions were right. Thanks god, I don�t have to reappear the test.
Everybody said, it is easy. I do not agree. I did not have fun at all preparing this exam. I had lot of fun, good time when I prepared SCJP2 exam. SCJP2 test gave me more sense when I walked through the codes. This time I felt stupid and puzzled when I saw lot of methods and class name what goes where. I do not know what SUN is testing? Individual memory power right! How be damn? How I am supposed to know what methods goes what class. I can�t memorize all their package classes and methods. I look at docs when I need it. Zesus, it was hard for me. Believe me guys I have only 1kb of long-term memory. I got to upgrade my memory. It proved that I could not handle it. By the way if you guys know how to increase long-term memory don�t forget to leave tips please.
My preparation history:
I joined java ranch September 19, 2001.
Took Java Ranch mock (don�t remember date)
Bought SCWJ on Oct 18, 2001.
Read jsp, servlet specification, and Mitefh notes.
Took test on Oct 29, 10.30 am.
Certified SCWDC at 12.01 Noon October 29, 2001 (Getting only 37 questions right).
Good luck guys who want score high in this exam. Mine is history now, if guys are really good at memorizing their package, class, methods, and fields name you bet, you got it. If I were good at memorizing I would have gone for WEBSTER DICTIONARY not for SCWDC. I wish I could do that.
BK

[Max Tomlinson]

LOL!
But I have to agree there does seem to be a lot of memorization involved here. I mean, why memorize web.xml descriptor syntax when the main thing is to know where to go when one has to modify a particular configuration?
good job on passing...

[Allan Moster]

Congratulations! A passing score is a passing score, no matter how close.
We share the same sentiments. I don't see the point of memorizing methods, interface, etc. It doesn't make sense! SUN must re-think this exam to make it more code-oriented.
Btw, what do you mean by "you saved $150"?
[This message has been edited by Allan Moster (edited October 29, 2001).]

[Bal Sharma]

Hi Allan:
If I had failed this test I would have to pay $150.00 to reappear test again right? I got scared when I saw result. Guess what! If two more questions were wrong then what? I would have below 61% and $150.00 more plus go through what methods belong what interface/classes and element/subelement cool <thingi>. I got to have on my head all the time to become a sun certified web developer. Did'nt I save $150.00? By the way I mentioned I bought SCWJ on Oct. 18 means SCWCD@Whiz. Thank you

Btw, what do you mean by "you saved $150"?

[Fei Ng]

You passed!!! Congratulations!!!
hehehee..... passing score is a good score!! it doesn't matter.

[Win Yu]

Did you read some book for the exam? I found it is difficult to remember all the methods. Should I try to remember all of them?

[Madhav Lakkapragada]

Congrats.
Yes indeed you saved $150/-. Good luck.
- satya

[Ashik Uzzaman]

Congrats Bal Sharma for saving $150...
And abt your quote here :

Believe me guys I have only 1kb of long-term memory. I got to upgrade my memory. It proved that I could not handle it. By the way if you guys know how to increase long-term memory don�t forget to leave tips please.

You are really ...As you already have passed SCWCD, why will you need to upgrade your memory man? Just carry on....
And yah, your choice of books....?
------------------
Muhammad Ashikuzzaman (Fahim)
Sun Certified Programmer for the Java� 2 Platform
--When you learn something, learn it by heart!

[Rahul Mahindrakar]

Congrats Bal,
I do agree that sometimes these exams make one feel the need to know which packages , which classes where etc. But I guess if you have been programming then you defenetly know where they are. Anyhow it does not matter now that you are certified.
Rahul.

------------------

Mahindrakar
IBM Application Server Forum Moderator
Consultant - Zensar Technologies ,Pune India.
SCJP2, SCJD2 & SCJEA (Part I)

[Bal Sharma]

Hello Everybody:
Thank you very much congratulating me. You guys are kind and really professional. I liked the subject matter of examination, it compelled me to learn how to write servlet and JSP. I can handle now servlets, simple JSP pages. I disliked the mode of examination. I guess I got passing point only from syntax JSP and Servlet walking through codes. They were like small piece of servlet, JSP, beans, and custom tag code with possible output. We have to pick up best choice. That was the only fun part for me.
Win Yu and Ashik uzzaman, yes dear, YES! if you want good score then OF COURSE start memorizing all methods and class name right now. I used to memorize English words when I was 2nd grader as CAT = (cat in my language), RAT = (rat in my language), Dog = (dog in my language). My days were back but became very lazy, stupid me. You do not have to be a good programmer. Just remember what goes where. They are testing your memory power in relation to their package, class, methods, and fields name. Do not forget those elements thingi, What is the relation between if you know or do not know exactly what elements goes inside tag library. If you do not know can�t you refer documents? What does it measure for WEB DEVELOPER? I do not know. Regarding books I bought three of them at end of September. They were Professional JSP, Core Servlet and Java Server Pages and Java Developer�s Guide to servlets and JSP. Let me be sincere here, I hardly use professional JSP book and I am using it as pillow. It is not soft pillow either. I think, this book is real good for seasoned programmer not like me. Read it tonight start coding Enterprise application tomorrow morning. I wrote almost all servlet and JSP examples from Core Srvlet and Java Sertver Pages. Some chapters were nasty but overall not bad. I warn you it does not cover Servlet2.3 and Jsp1.2. From last Bill�s book I liked Ch11. Custom Tag Libraries. All books are not aimed for certification, so we got to customize as per our need. Hey Ashik, I am not gonna use code OK, but I won�t leave your not UZZA but MAN
I read twice Servlet and JSP speciation. Servlet speciation is wonderful. Plain, soft, sweet English and clears doubts. Everybody must read these documents as much as possible. I read Mittef notes many times. It is good and compact. When I read, it was on my head after few seconds it is gone. That was the problem. I wish I could remember as I did CAT, RAT and DOG. I used SCWCDWhiz for test simulator I found it is good to familiarize you. But do not depend on it. Real test is quite different. I had few questions drag and drop. You have to drag methods and drop in appropriate class.
Hope it helps. Hey my dear future SCWD start doing cat, rat, and dog. Good luck BK

[Win Yu]

Thank you for the answer. I hope I can pass it by 61%.Higher score is not necessary.

[deepak adlakha]

Hi,
Congrats ...No matter how much marks u get SCWCD certificate that's all.
Congrats again
Deepak
[This message has been edited by deepak adlakha (edited October 30, 2001).]

[Reda Mokrane]

Congratulations Bal, the test isn't easy so The important thing is that you passed!
------------------
Reda Mokrane

[Sreenivasa Majji]

Congratulations.
------------------
Sreenivasa Kumar Majji
Sun Certified Java Programmer
SCJP Mock Test

[Ashish Sarin]

Now I'm scared Bal
I have to take the SCWCD exam on 5th of Nov. I thought it's gonna be cake walk as I heard that exam is easier than SCJP2. Most of the other members who have passed nevah specified that it requires memorizing. I think u the first person who has called SCJP to be easier than SCWCD. I'm real bad @ memorizing ( Now I can't even cancel the exam. I thought Saturday and Sunday two days of preparation will be enuff. Now I feel that I made a big mistake. When going thru the notes of the members who have passed the exam I realized that it requires memorizing but nevah imagined that it's gonna be worse than SCJP2. Seems like now it's too late to mend (
Wish me luck that I can save $150. Well, can u tell me does the exam requires you to know methods in a particular class as well as to remember the parameter types and the details of the parameters ??? To wot extent JSP specification was useful in the exam ???
*sigh* anyways 4 more days left. I will start the preparation tonite itself.
regards,
Ashish Sarin
SCJP2,SCJD2,SCEA(Part I)

[Sonia Virmani]

Ashish
dont be panic, u still have some time to make up.
get ur hands on ken's, miftahk notes and scwcdwhiz (the quiz part is made for this purpose only)
wish u best of luck
sonia

[Ashish Sarin]

thankiess Sonia,
thankx alot I know I give it a try in next 4 days. But if u guys don't receive a mail from be on 5th of Nov. u can safely assume that I failed miserably lol
regards,
Ashish Sarin
SCJP,SCJD2,SCEA(Part I)
Systems Engineer
Ericsson

[Bal Sharma]

Ashish:
The worst I had to type method name on text box. No parameters. What method gonna give some kind of behavior in some class?? It was that kind of questions. I left blank it was easier for me to do that than to struggle at exam. I agree if you are working on Servlet and JSP for some time do not worry about it. Even you will find their mistake. I think sun is changing questions pattern. Nobody mentioned before thre was drag and drop question too. I had drag and drop to match method to appropriate class. Jsp part was very simple. Code questions from customtag bean and script. You will make it. I was getting avg 90% on WHIZLab and mock. I did not have any high expectation to break the record but I was hoping somewhere 70-80% to pass it. My god it scared me a lot. GoodLuck BK

Well, can u tell me does the exam requires you to know methods in a particular class as well as to remember the parameter types and the details of the parameters ??? To wot extent JSP specification was useful in the exam ???

[Poonam Akash]

Hi Bal,
COngratulation on becoming an SCWCD!!!
Hi Ashish Sarin
Well i don't think that the SCWCD exam will be much difficult for a person with SCJP2,SCJD2,SCEA(Part I) certifications in his hand
So be brave and try ur best and surely the success will be urs!
Dont forget to tell us ur experience man.
With best wishes!!!
Poonam,
still SCJP2 only!

[raj sekhar]

What is this drag and drop questions? Can somebody explain Atleast now?
Thanks
raj

[satish kolli]

Originally posted by raj sekhar:
What is this drag and drop questions? Can somebody explain Atleast now?
Thanks
raj

I was told by a friend that it is just mapping. for example they will give JSP implicit objects one side and related classes other side. You need to drag the option from left side and drop it on right hand side matching option.
Thanks!
Satish Kolli, SCJP2

[Louis Fegun]

Bal-
Congratulations!!!. Great job. A pass is a pass, period.
Louis.
SCJP2, SCWCD, JCert Solution Developer
------------------

[Bal Sharma]

RaJ:
It is almost same as Satish Kolli mentioned in this post. I had two columns A and B. I had to pick up right element from column A and drop it on its parent element node column B. Hope it helps. BK

What is this drag and drop questions? Can somebody explain Atleast

[faisal mahmood]

Originally posted by Louis Fegun:
Bal-
Congratulations!!!. Great job. A pass is a pass, period.
Louis.
SCJP2, SCWCD, JCert Solution Developer

I would like to know if SCWCD can be counted towards jCert Level 2 certification.
If anyone knows the answer please reply.
Faisal

[vipin khindri]

hi everybody,
i cleared my exam tommorow with a score of 74%.I agree with Bal what he said that Sun people are just checking the memory power and i got a hell lot of question on the method present in the particular interface or return type of the method and static values present in which interface or class.Anyhow i
think that i m lucky fellow to get away with 74% marks as i had attempted 19 question only in first 45 minutes.because i have to think about the methods and return type.this is totally absurd and i found SCJP2 is more easier for a person who has got there concepts clear and this is generally a 80% cramming and 20% concepts which i hope to be revised to 50-50 so that person with a short memory can also get a fair chance.
------------------
Vipin Khindri
B.E.(C.sc.),SCJP2,SCJD2,SCWCD

[vipin khindri]

i m sorry i did write tommorow i know its yesterday but see from that my frustation level that i was unable to put right words

[Ashik Uzzaman]

Warning for Bal Sharma: Its a coded message
===========================================

Memrzn is tuf & nnoyin 4 me as urs & ne1
? r u plnin ->

------------------
Muhammad Ashikuzzaman (Fahim)
Sun Certified Programmer for the Java� 2 Platform
--When you learn something, learn it by heart!

[Bal Sharma]

vipin:
I share your sentiment. No doubt. Let me put it other way too. It is not strength my dear. I think a normal person should have at least average momorizing power. I am taking my case, I am way below the average. I hate "RATA KHANTA BHAIYA" (THOSE WHO ONLY MEMORIZE AND DON'T LOOK FOR LOGIC) guys too. If I had that power I would have gone for WEBTER DICTIONARY. Try to get a job as living dictionary. Don't feel frustated, as least you should be happy that you have more memorizing power(%) than BAL.
I do not know how SUN conducts this exam? One of my friend informed me that he got only 4 memorizing questions, NO drag and drop, all code related. He did not sleep one week before the test cramming it. Again I became stupid, he not gonna buy my idea any more. BK

Originally posted by vipin khindri:
i m sorry i did write tommorow i know its yesterday but see from that my frustation level that i was unable to put right words

[Guennadiy VANIN]

Bal,
congratulations, I know what it was because I had 61% in SJCP2!!! It is man's job to do without thorough preparation, not for fun.
The sense is that certification is needed for job arrangement. If you are in (you already have job!) and take certification in a couple of years of work, then it is fun, great scores, a lot of congratulations (I received barely 1 or 2) but for what... just vanity.
I hate memorizing, thanks for info, I shall serach smth more interesting for certification
If you are getting certified with a lot of memorizing to improve your chances then it is OK, I can memorize but it will go away in 4 weeks, all!!! It is better to get some useful certification, i.e. with principles.
It is really misinformation to ensure that SCWD is easier than SCPJ2 if requires evn more memorizing?!
[This message has been edited by G Vanin (edited November 13, 2001).]

[Faraz Khan]

No problem, one can even pass this exam without and practice, by just reading books, but those poeple have to suffer low marking.