New Forum for the new SCJP's??

[Oliver Grass]

Heyho,
i know this is a really hot and dangerous question, and perhaps all other people here will ignore me, especially my questions or the answers. But i would like to hear the opinion of others who participate in this forum...
When you look at the posts in this forum you see about 24000 ... This is a lot and shows how people participate... During the last two weeks i noticed that there are a lot of people opening new topics like "i'm scjp2 now" or "SCJP me = new SCJP()". And most of these topics were visited from a lot of people. About 80% of these are like "congrats, gimme more infos".
My problem now is, that it's almost impossible to find all these topics, which have real problems and where you can learn something .... Not that you can't learn anything from the "i passed" topics...
Shouldn't there be a separate forum for all these who wann tell people that they have passed the exam??? This will reduce the size of the Prog Cert forum AND will make navigation easier. Another advantage is, that people can concentrate on the real problems and don't have to search through all these "i passed" messages. Besides that, you will have two places where you can get information from. One from all the people who have passed and want to give some (no doubt: very, very important) information and then you will have one, where the Real problems about coding, mock exams and so on are.
You can cover 11 weeks of 12 with the Prog Cert forum and the last week with the "I passed" forum....
Don't get me wrong, i am not jealous and i don't want that all these topics should disappear. But shouldn't they be moved to a different place, e.g. a different forum??
Don't shoot me, don't insult me, just tell wut you think about this proposal....
cheers
Oliver

[Subha Guhan]

Oliver
I strongly agree with you. I guess the purpose of all these discussions, is to provide insight into the various topics covered in the Certification and the current state of affairs, doesnt seem to support it. Even when you do a search you have to sift thro' so many threads before you get to the ones that you will teach you something.
I think you have a valid point.
Subha

[Matt DeLacey]

Oliver,
I agree 100% and I have been wanting to say something for some time, but I didn't think it would be received well. In particular, I find it frustrating to try to learn and have to sift through 50 messages of: "congrats, could you send me all your notes and anything else I might need?" Since posting here I have received 2 emails at home asking if I will send them specific questions on the exam. I don't even want to get started talking about what I think of that! I am grateful to have this forum, but I think your proposition would improve things tremendously. The other thing that I would say is that IMHO, people often submit answers as if they were the absolute truth. I certainly think it's nice to have a forum for discussion, but it's tough when people are saying "This is the answer." and it's dead wrong. It would really help if people would humble up a little and say "I THINK this is the answer" unless they have specifically tested it just prior to answering or something. Just my 2 cents worth, not meaning to offend anyone. I AM grateful for this service.

Matt

[Ajith Kallambella]

Okay, I think we can handle this problem. Either we can create a new forum for "I too passed" messages or we can archive them periodically leaving back only messages with substance.
Until we( JavaRanch folks ) decide one way or the other I suggest all of you to use the search facility if you are looking for specific topics. However, if you are a casual browser who wants to read through old messages and sip the good ones, please bear with this inconvenience until we figure out a viable solution.
I really appreciate your concerns and we will do anything possible to maintain the quality of this forum.
Thanks a bunch!
Ajith

[Ajith Kallambella]

Please see the related discussion here. Since the JavaRanch forum deals with suggestions about this site in general, most likely the post there will get more attention than this one in the SCJP forum. But I'll make sure to announce the consensus here also
Ajith

[Mapraputa Is]

Well, I think �congratulations on your success� is one thing which make a community out of crowd. I always try to congratulate people who post �I passes� topics. I think some people may just have nobody around to share their joy, I mean nobody who really understand what SCJP is. And I am glad that there are always a few people who find a minute to say smth nice to new SCJPs. If smbd is irritated about such topics, well, do not read them! To make a separate forum for it looks too harsh for me. The idea about arhivation looks better. These messages normaly do not have �eternal� importance, we could move them to arhiv, say, after a week of presence.

[Subha Guhan]

Hey Mapraputa
I also belong to the bunch of people whom you have described in your post and definitely it feels good to share your experience with other aspirants, but the number of threads getting posted here is just getting to the point were it is proving to be not so useful.
All the success stories here have a mention of threads and gridbaglayout and a search will hit all of them. The intention to start a new Forum or archive would be quite understandable and will be taken in the right spirit by all I guess.
Subha

[Varsha Dighe]

Oliver you snatched words from my mouth. I really feel that the Sheriff's should take Olivers suggestion seriously
Varsha

[amit shukla]

Hi all...

This was a pretty good discussion goin on here, i couldn't keep myself aloof ..
What i think is when smebdy clears scjp s/he knows its worth and thats what s/he wants to share , also for those who couldn't get through first time it is very important coz they need some fire to start over it again,thats what sharing the success/failure stories in this forum does .Bcoz most of them are success stories people see no meaning in them we should see the other side also isn't it?
What i suggest is we can have all the topics at the same place and then put them together in bunches ..like this will be more organised if we extend this to more than "i passsed / failed " & "cert topics" segementation to "i/o" , "Threads" , " Util " segmentation.And also while signing a new topic user may be asked to give the section he might think it will fall in. I wish & hope this is what we may see in near times...

[SHALINI PATEL]

hi everybody......
I have been on this site for a month now... and its great to share the experiences, I would appreciate that fact, but its really a very good discussion going on.... Hope i reach this message to a bartender....
I agree with amit, that we should have different sub topics. Say the chapters of jls. like language funda, io, threads, etc.... and the users would have a choice to put up their questions on this specific topic.... So that would not only create a database of some good questions but also, many repeated questions would not come up again and again, assuming that the users would have looked into those questions earlier..... I mean something similar to what maha anna has done in her site.....
Its a very intersting forum and lets do the best to make it even more effective......