Java certification:In this market not worth it

[Shelly Johnson]

The java market is coming to griding halt. In such weather the certification does not really matter. Save your money for later. The latest is that even the best of java progs are getting only 35/hr. Its a big drop..

[Sri Enga]

Getting certified or not is your personal choice. Certification aids you in getting a job or transition into a new assignment. Neither Sun or its affiliates say that you would have to be certified to get a job or vice-versa. True that the s/w industry is slowing down, don�t you think that a certification would help you in this climate.

[Peter Tran]

Shelly,
Your first post on JavaRanch, and it's very depressing. I agree with Srini. Getting certified doesn't equate to more $$. If you're getting certified with the goal of making more money, than you'll be very disappointed. Just do it because you want to.
-Peter

[duchang]

A Java certification is probably not really going to benefit you tremendously if you already have years of industry experience building distributed OO systems. I think the key to standing out from the "crowd" is a solid foundation in OOA/OOD and development experience.
Java is just the toolset that is utilized to create the end system. Programmers are a dime a dozen.. it is the core understanding of designing and building scalable architectures that will move you from $35 per hours to something more substantial
However, i think obtaining a Java certification for people that are new to the tech industry is definitely a BONUS.
Regardless, a certification can only help...
Best wishes

[Shrini Kulkarni]

What shelly is trying to suggest, might be meant for those, who are trying to take cerrification with the aim to get more job offers and hike in current pay. Such people can postpone their plan to take certification. I think the % of such people is high.
But for those who want to take it with aim to learn the language and get an edge can definitely go ahead and take it. So it is up to individual to decide. Java is a greate language, getting certified is definitely plus in one's resume. It can do only good.
Shrinivas


[This message has been edited by Shrini Kulkarni (edited February 18, 2001).]
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[Kevin Yip]

Get a good job is only one of my goals to get certified. To give myself more confidence in software development is amongst the others... To force myself to update my knowledge constantly is also one of those... etc. etc.

[mansoor iqbal]

none of the replies answered the main question:
is the java proggrammer market coming to a grinding halt? is there any truth to it?

[Shrini Kulkarni]

Hi,
Following accessment based on the info I have collected from my know sources . NOT OFFICIAL
Yes that is true currently in US. what is being said is due to dot com companies are mostly out of business and in general US economy is down. Java is the common factor among all these dotcom and e-com companies. The affect is felt in contries like INDIA which accounts for major share of software professionals going to US on H1B VISA. Dont take it as an official word.
This is what I have been listening from my friends in US and what I am hearing other wise about state of Java in US. I know many java friends (with or without certification with visa in hands) who are waiting for clearence from US offices due to low demand.
This is only for time being. The situation is expeceted to be improved some time in 2nd Qtr of 2001.

Shrinivas

[Val Dra]

Java Market is coming down, my personal believes is that When VB.net will be released with other tools like C#.net and asp stuff it's going to be a lot less jobs i think. I read a lot of good stuff Visual Studio.net and it looks very promising for developers. I hate to see java loose any of it market share because i am currently studiying but if it will it's good to have some other knowledge to switch to.

[Brett Knapik]

Well if Java is not worth it then what is worth it?
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[Shelly Johnson]

Please do take my post otherwise, Its not meant to discourage anyone . What I meant was that you could helpfyouserlves by saving your money. As somebody said if you have enough experience etc then it doesn't really matter if you have certification but yeah it could help if u have less experience. IIt also make you through with subject.
All I am saying is u could save your money by postponing it a to a later time when the market gets better. On the java market I can def say that its slowing down considerable because my brother is senior technical recruter and he tells me that the
demand is down, rates are down and many people on H1-B hv been asked to leave for their country. Its happening a lot in California.

[Chiran Mathur]

You are right Shelly. I know atleast 10 friends who are jav a progs and are on bench since Jan. The co will either lay them off or aks them to go back home. Its quite discouraging to study hard for cert and then find that there are no jobs. So I would also advise, you may study for java cert but do not give exam now...

[Paul Anilprem]

I think people should look at it in a different way. Actually, the demand is low not because Java has failed the expectations of the industry but because the dot coms took a major hit in the stock market crash. This has caused a temporary sluggishness as more java people are now available. But the demand is still high and will increase as more and more companies are going the java way.
In this context, I believe certification becomes more important. Afterall, there has to be some way for the tech. recruiters to differentiate between the candidates. If one candidate is certified then he definately gets an edge.
I think there is no need to panic. Java is here to stay.
-Paul.


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[Brett Knapik]

Well, I am only 14, I have a lot in mind with java, mostly with java servlets and JSP, probably by the time I get to that the market will pick up. I guess that means that I don't have to worry much.
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[Faisal Arif]

For all those certification aspirants...
I look at SCJP as being certified in at least on OOPS language.
-Faisal

[Marcus Green]

If I get two resumes from people with similar backgrounds, one is Java Certified one is Not. I am more likely to interview the person with certification, it shows a minimal level of knowlege and ability to apply themselves.
Note I don't say they will get the job and I am assuming the two people have similar background. Assuming that just taking the exam costa about USD$150 and it will increase your knowlege of the subject and can help get a job. What would you recommend you spend the saved money on?
Can you point me to some statistics on the slow down in the demand for Java programmers? I have not read anything to indicate a slowdown. The dot.com slump means there MAY be a slowdown but I believe the slump is mainly in the highly speculative area, the real background stuff, the dull dull stuff will continue to snowball.
If not Java Certification then what?
Marcus

[Angela Poynton]

It seems to me that while the demand for Java Programmers in dot coms's is slowing (usually because most of them are failing badly), but there is a definate increase in demand for Java programmers in large already esablished "Click and Mortar" companies, these companies want to increse their presence on the web as well as build stronger more stable, and portable back-end solutions. these companies may not pay as well as dot com start-ups but there is much more job security!

[Ananda Kashyap]

I don't understand why you guys are thinking about Java Jobs.. do you know/think that Dot com companies were using only Java? All of them? I don't think so.. What about ASP? HR? Finance? Database Administrator? Network Manager? So many jobs have been lost by the Dot com bust.. don't worry much..
Ananda.
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[William Brogden]

At $ 150 the Java Certification is about the cheapest improvement to your resume I can think of. Compare the thousands of $ for a short course or workshop.
The market for Java programmers may not be as red-hot as it was, but I still get calls and emails from head-hunters. These days they report that employers are all aware of the certification.
Bill

[UrDiwana N]

Hi All,
I read this notes. I am now worring becoz i m doing Java just to get a job. I m Mech. Engineer with Agg. Dist. percentage, but still i have no job since last 9 months. I m appearing for SCJP in last week of Feb. SO pls help. Is it worth to do SCJP ?
UrDiwana N