is java going down in the market????

[golukumarjain]

I know lot of you will feel what kind of aquestion is this!!!But
my dear friends i came to know that java is going down in USA.Is this true?Will it affect our chances of getting jobs in India and abroad??
If java is going down ,then is it worth-while to give a try to any of the certification exams and i specially mean SCPJ2 exam???
Help me friends because i am feeling a little bit depressed as my favourite language is being outclassed!!!
CHAO...
GOLU kumar JAIN

[fraternity lawson]

this topic has been discussed before.Make a search, u will get the views of experienced people who are working in java.

[Hari Gangadharan]

US is currently facing some economic slowdowns. Many comapanies have layed off thousands of employees. It is unofficially estimated that atleast 48,000 Java programmers (including H1B immigrants) are now in search of jobs. This does not mean that Java is dead or Java is going down in market. Java is still the direction of all Fortune 500 companies.
People with just two months of Java experience alone, used to survive 6 months back. At that time, it happened to me -- If you say Java loudly while you are in a train, most probably a fellow passenger will introduce himself (give his card) and will right away say that he is a recruiter and would like your resume. This does not happen anymore - now also jobs are still there. Only thing is Java alone may not help you. You may need experience in large data processing platforms or SQL database or is comfortable working in Unix. Sometimes knowledge of big application systems help.
Right now many of the companies here is having a hiring freeze. I do not think this will continue for ever. Experts estimate that we have hit a big Bear market -- We are 6 months into Bear market. Things will improve in another 8 months since the Bear market cycle will typically stay for 14-15 months. It is little bit difficult to get a job now in any platform.. Just see the list of lay-off is US (The list is incomplete). This list includes other employees (like Sales, Marketing, etc)
> Interesting data, must say frightening too.
> TECHNOLOGY LAYOFFS
>
> WorldCom 11,550
> Nortel 10,000
> Unisys 5,000
> Standard Register 2,400
> Dell Computer 1,700
> Xerox1 800
> Engage 550
> Digital Broadband Comm. 450
> ADC Telecomm. 400
> Corel 320
> Cambridge Tech. Partners 280
> Computer Sciences Corp. 237
> General DataComm 200
> Convergent Communications 150
> Startec Global Comm. 140
>
> Lucent 10,000
> Motorola 9,300
> Gateway 3,000
> Hewlett-Packard 1,700
> Alltel 1,000
> JDS Uniphase 700
> Sony 500
> Rhythms NetConnections 450
> Juno 325
> AT&T Broadband 300
> Vitts Networks 270
> Perot Systems 200
> Neon Software 150
> Network Commerce 145
> F5 Networks 100
>
> 1 5,200 announced last fall
>
> INTERNET LAYOFFS
>
> Amazon.com 1,300
> Etoys 700
> Barnesandnoble.com 350
> Pets.com2 320
> ExciteAtHome 250
> AltaVista 200
> MVP.com3 166
> Drugstore.com 125
> Netpliance 93
>
> MarchFirst 1,000
> GO.com 400
> Ameritrade 330
> AllAdvantage.com 250
> LetsBuyIt.com 200
> LookSmart 172
> ECal 140
> HomeGrocer.com 100
>
> 2 Majority of staff, shutting down 3 Total, shutting
> down
>
> MANUFACTURING LAYOFFS
>
> General Electric4 75,000
> DaimlerChrysler 26,000
> Boeing 8,000
> Whirlpool 6,000
> Keane 1,000
>
> Honeywell4 50,000
> GM 11,100
> Sara Lee 7,000
> Gillette 2,700
>
> 4 Over next 2 years, according to Business Week and
> other sources; 50,000
> of
> these are from Honeywell. The company disputes the
> reports.
>
> FINANCE LAYOFFS
>
> JP Morgan 5,000
> PricewaterhouseCoopers 400
> Bank of America 100
>
> Aetna 5,000
> Prudential Securities 160
>
> MEDIA LAYOFFS
>
> AOL Time Warner 2,400
> CNN 400
> NBCi 150
>
> CNET 190
> Entertaindom 200
> Quokka 90
>
> RETAIL LAYOFFS
>
> Montgomery Ward 28,000
> Sears 2,400
> Crown Books 450
>
> JC Penney 5,565
> Service Merchandise 1,750
>
> MISC. LAYOFFS
>
> Hayes Lemmerz Intl. 1,200
> PacifiCare Health Systems 550
>
> Arvin Meritor 1,500
> Wonderware 150


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Hari Gangadharan
Out of the turbulance a soft voice spoke to me ...
Son smile and be happy things could be worse...
I smiled and I was happy and things became worse!

[Shrini Kulkarni]

Great reply Hari,
I also agree with you . All of this is happening due to US economy slow down. Java will continue to hold on to its position as prefered language . But the demand may not be as it used to be ( saying "java " loudly in a train and getting few interview calls). Things are likely to improve some time in May-june. Much of this depends upon the US economy in general. Let us hope that java programmers get the lost glory.
Regards
Shrinivas
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Sun Certified programmer for Java2 platform.
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[Anit Bhatnagar]

Dear Friend,
I think all of these guys are right, we Shouldn't give up hope and try for SCJP2. I do was very worried but now i do feel that we must not listen to rumors and pay full attention to SCJP2 exam.
Best of Luck...

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[Matthew Phillips]

I think with the elimination of dot coms you will see the demand for applet programming go away, but the versitility of Java will insure that it is in demand for years to come.
Matthew Phillips

[Hari Gangadharan]

At no point there was a demand for applet programming. The dot-coms were using java servlets heavily. The point is on what the companies with money will invest on. Now no companies are spending money to enhance their existing systems. Compaq today announce that they will lay off 5000 employees. Charles Schwab, a company which tries its best not to lay-off people, today announced that they are planning for staff reduction. Most companies when they reduce staff, they will try to eliminate technologies which are young/not fully implemented. That is what has happened to Java. If you still read articles, you will find that Java is a platform strongly supported by most companies for application development. Many fortune 500 companies have Java Class Library creation teams which supply internal clients with Classes used internally. Many companies have developed lots of Java Classes to support their internal applications. Now will they drop those Classes already developed and take up a new platform?
-- Hari Gangadharan

[Bob Lancaster]

Originally posted by Hari Gangadharan:
US is currently facing some economic slowdowns. Many comapanies have layed off thousands of employees. It is unofficially estimated that atleast 48,000 Java programmers (including H1B immigrants) are now in search of jobs. This does not mean that Java is dead or Java is going down in market. Java is still the direction of all Fortune 500 companies.
People with just two months of Java experience alone, used to survive 6 months back. At that time, it happened to me -- If you say Java loudly while you are in a train, most probably a fellow passenger will introduce himself (give his card) and will right away say that he is a recruiter and would like your resume. This does not happen anymore - now also jobs are still there. Only thing is Java alone may not help you. You may need experience in large data processing platforms or SQL database or is comfortable working in Unix. Sometimes knowledge of big application systems help.
Right now many of the companies here is having a hiring freeze. I do not think this will continue for ever. Experts estimate that we have hit a big Bear market -- We are 6 months into Bear market. Things will improve in another 8 months since the Bear market cycle will typically stay for 14-15 months. It is little bit difficult to get a job now in any platform.. Just see the list of lay-off is US (The list is incomplete). This list includes other employees (like Sales, Marketing, etc)
> Interesting data, must say frightening too.
> TECHNOLOGY LAYOFFS
>
> WorldCom 11,550
> Nortel 10,000
> Unisys 5,000
> Standard Register 2,400
> Dell Computer 1,700
> Xerox1 800
> Engage 550
> Digital Broadband Comm. 450
> ADC Telecomm. 400
> Corel 320
> Cambridge Tech. Partners 280
> Computer Sciences Corp. 237
> General DataComm 200
> Convergent Communications 150
> Startec Global Comm. 140
>
> Lucent 10,000
> Motorola 9,300
> Gateway 3,000
> Hewlett-Packard 1,700
> Alltel 1,000
> JDS Uniphase 700
> Sony 500
> Rhythms NetConnections 450
> Juno 325
> AT&T Broadband 300
> Vitts Networks 270
> Perot Systems 200
> Neon Software 150
> Network Commerce 145
> F5 Networks 100
>
> 1 5,200 announced last fall
>
> INTERNET LAYOFFS
>
> Amazon.com 1,300
> Etoys 700
> Barnesandnoble.com 350
> Pets.com2 320
> ExciteAtHome 250
> AltaVista 200
> MVP.com3 166
> Drugstore.com 125
> Netpliance 93
>
> MarchFirst 1,000
> GO.com 400
> Ameritrade 330
> AllAdvantage.com 250
> LetsBuyIt.com 200
> LookSmart 172
> ECal 140
> HomeGrocer.com 100
>
> 2 Majority of staff, shutting down 3 Total, shutting
> down
>
> MANUFACTURING LAYOFFS
>
> General Electric4 75,000
> DaimlerChrysler 26,000
> Boeing 8,000
> Whirlpool 6,000
> Keane 1,000
>
> Honeywell4 50,000
> GM 11,100
> Sara Lee 7,000
> Gillette 2,700
>
> 4 Over next 2 years, according to Business Week and
> other sources; 50,000
> of
> these are from Honeywell. The company disputes the
> reports.
>
> FINANCE LAYOFFS
>
> JP Morgan 5,000
> PricewaterhouseCoopers 400
> Bank of America 100
>
> Aetna 5,000
> Prudential Securities 160
>
> MEDIA LAYOFFS
>
> AOL Time Warner 2,400
> CNN 400
> NBCi 150
>
> CNET 190
> Entertaindom 200
> Quokka 90
>
> RETAIL LAYOFFS
>
> Montgomery Ward 28,000
> Sears 2,400
> Crown Books 450
>
> JC Penney 5,565
> Service Merchandise 1,750
>
> MISC. LAYOFFS
>
> Hayes Lemmerz Intl. 1,200
> PacifiCare Health Systems 550
>
> Arvin Meritor 1,500
> Wonderware 150

These things go in cycles. Last year, I was got one offer with 2 months experience, and 3 offers with 5 months experience. I had a recruiter give me a card on a train a few months ago, though. In 1999, with a SCJP and no experience, I couldn't get a job at all. Hopefully, in a few months, the market will improve a bit.
-Bob Lancaster
SCJP working on SCJD

[Jane Griscti]

golukumarjain,
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[Ashutosh khanna]

So,

How about now...

Is java going down ?

Same situation.

[Jesper de Jong]

This is a topic from 2001 - seven years ago! Please don't wake the zombies. Besides that, this is a discussion that isn't really about the SCJP exam, so it doesn't belong in the SCJP forum. If you want to discuss this, start a new topic in a more appropriate forum.