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about simon roberts & phillip heller book

 
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hello friends !

i have scjp 1.4 exam on 26th August, i am well prepared simon roberts and phillip heller certification book, and patrick naughton complete java reference also. these books are really sufficient for preparation ? or i need to buy another book for exam ?

if anybody prepared and got certified from simon robet and phillip heller book pl. rectify my doubt ?

thanks in advance.

ganesh.......
 
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Hi Ganesh,

I had the book on my bookshelf but used mainly
K&B.

I just want to add that the I/O chapter is
not relevant for SCJP 1.4

Cheers,

Gian Franco
 
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Hi Ganesh,

I dont think the books which you are referring right now are sufficient to clear SCJP. I would suggest that you go for K&B or Khalid's book. I also have both the books which you have named but real exam is much tougher than that. Still you have around 20 days. It will be better if you go for K&B book and finish it twice in these 20 days.

Best of Luck
Kaps
 
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Ganesh,

Patrick Naughton's book was published before the release of Java 1.4, so it won't cover assertions and the two new classes in the collections framework--LinkedHashMap and LinkedHashSet. Everything that you need to know about assertions is available in the document Programming with Assertions.

Since you mention only Roberts and Heller and not Ernest, I assume that you have the third edition of the book that covers the 1.4 version of the exam. A previous post in this thread suggests that the exams in that book are too easy and do not represent the real exam. That isn't the first time that I have read that opinion, but I have never seen the book so I can't offer an opinion.

It appears that you have one Java fundamentals textbook that covers Java 1.2 instead of 1.4, and you have a Java certification study guide that contains exams that some believe to be a little too easy. Even so, the combination of those two books and the links provided above should provide enough material to cover the objectives of the 1.4 version of the certification exam. As suggested earlier in this thread, you could buy yet another Java certification study guide, but you will find that most any study guide contains a lot of text that covers the same material that you have already read in the other two books. I doubt that passively rereading the same material will be helpful to you. My biased opinion is that you would improve your skills more quickly by working through some high quality mock exams that offer detailed explanations of each answer. Now let's see, where could you find something like that? Who has high quality mock exams? I'm sure that some must exist somewhere. Where could they be?

If you try my mock exams, then please keep in mind that my exams are more difficult than the real exam. If you can score 70% on one of my exams, then you are doing very well. A person's score on the real exam is typically a lot higher than their score on one of my exams.

Since my exams are more difficult than the real exam and because the answer pages include detailed explanations, my mock exams serve very well as a workbook. After using my exams as a workbook, then try Marcus Green's exam (www.jchq.net) to measure you level of preparation.

You should also try the
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Ganesh, (the remover of obstacles)

Use Dan's mock tests to remove this obstacle. I used K&B, and found the hints useful, but Dan's mocks were very useful. I got 73% average on Dan's tests and 90% on the actual exam.
 
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I just wanted to chime in with my opinion about the Heller & Roberts book (Complete Java 2 Certification 4th edition).

First off, the pros of the book are as follows:
- Easy to read. I also have the 1.2 version of Mughal and Rasmussen, which I found a much more difficult book to work through. The M&R book is far more detailed, but much harder to read unless you already have a good deal of knowledge and just need light shed on specific areas.
- That's the only pro, the H&R book is easy to read.

Cons:
- Too short. Only 260 pages devoted to the SCJP exam. The rest of the book deals with the developer exam.
- Vague. Some topics they only touch briefly, others not at all. For instance, they only mention interfaces once in the SCJP portion of the book, and only in the context of object reference conversions.
- Errors. You can tell the editor fell asleep on the job, because they make such errors as defining a double as 16 bit (I assume they meant 64), and using the terms inner and nested class interchangably. I'm not even sure if they compared the book to the JLS.
- Exam questions are simply. Most of them only have one correct answer.

Overall recommendation:

Better books exist. Based on reviews here, I would purchase K&B and take a pass on this one. However, if you're stuck with it like me, I don't think all is lost. The beginning chapters seem quite good, so study the book as phase 1 of your exam prep, and then do as many of Dan's mock exams as your brain can handle. Download the JLS and whereever you've been led astray (which will be obvious when you take Dan's exams), study the JLS for the real story. As a warning, I would definately study the entire JLS chapter on classes after you read the H&R chapter, because there are so many things left out of that book its not funny. Anyways, I still have three weeks or so until the test, so hopefully I can move past the shortcomings of this book and still pull off a decent score.
 
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Howdy -- I'd agree with what Dan said, and add that if you have enough to study with, and it's just a matter of mock exams, then find a bookstore that has the K&B book (I'm the "K" ) and take the mock exams. You don't have to buy the book unless you really think you need the additional study of the chapters, but if you follow Dan's advice, you might not need it. My only request, of course, is that you don't spill coffee on the book, and when you put it back on the bookshelf, dust off the cover and place it in a nice location.

We do NOT recommend that you try to take the mock exams in our book, especially the *final* at the end of the book, UNTIL you really think you are ready and you just want to see if you're prepared. If you take it too soon, you will never be able to go back and re-take the same exam with a good indication of your real score, because you will have *some* memory of the questions. The mock exams in our book are *very* close to the level in the real exam... most people get a very similar score on our exams and the real exam. Dan's are indeed more difficult, so don't let a somewhat lower score on his exams frighten you--if you get a decent score on HIS exams, you know that you're in very good shape.

cheers,
Kathy
 
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Thank you for nice advice.

But, K&B book is not available at most of the places in New Delhi, India.So, I have purchased Mughal's exam guide.
I am going to give exam on sep 20th.


Ganesh..
 
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