what is needed to find a job with java?

[Sean Li]

I'm a beginner of java, now i'm preparing for the scjp certification. but i just searched some job seeking sites. i found that i'm not qualified to any of the job listed even i have the scjp certification. so, what is needed to find a job with java? please help me. is scjp useful?

[Stephen Cowell]

Step 1: get your scjp
Step 2: get a scwcd or scjd (scwcd is easier and more relevant imho)
Step 3: work an open source project (see sourceforge)
Step 4: apply for jobs (you now have qualifications & experience!)
Step 5: repeat steps 3& 4 until you run out of patience or finances
Step 6: mow lawns for a living
[ March 05, 2002: Message edited by: Stephen Cowell ]

[Jake the Snake]

Connections!

[Thomas Paul]

Jake, your name is in violation of the Javaranch naming standard. We allow you to use this name in "Meaningless Drivel" because that forum does not enforce the naming standard. All other forums strictly enforce the JavaRanch naming standard. If you use this name in any other forum again your account will be closed.

[David O'Meara]

When did you ever have to be qualified for a job to apply for it?
It doesn't cost you anything to apply

[Derek Grey]

Trust me I am in the same situation as yours....I had a BS in EE, they said u had to get a MS in CS to get any software job you want....now I have a MSCS degree...but no jobs in hand....all that I am thinking is that it's the economy...just hope that it's not wishful thinking....and hope that those good days would get back.
About applying, well when it's mentioned that they need atleast a year's experience, is it ok for me to apply when I have none...please advice.
I definetely agree that connections is the key to all jobs now.....

[Sean Li]

Originally posted by Jake the Snake:
Connections!

thanks for your help. but execuse me, what is CONNECTIONS?

[Sean Li]

and where is the "sourceforge"?

[Sean Li]

I've go to the sourceforge.net, but it says: We're Sorry.
The SourceForge.net Website is currently down for maintenance.
We will be back shortly

[Ashok Mash]

and they are back now.

[George Brown]

Or you could try emigrating to india and taking a big pay cut, but even then the competition would be fierce and you'd need all the qualifications that you could get.

[Derek Grey]

....if only what you said was true.....
know this...
if u could get a job in India you could defintely get 3 here.....mind you it's not just filled with people, it's filled with a huge number of software professionals.....excellent and certified ones.

[William Barnes]

but execuse me, what is CONNECTIONS?

He means that you know someone who can get you a job.
Sometimes this is also called "networking". Networking is another helpful job search technique. Talk to all of your friends and have them talk to their family and friends to get in touch with people who already hold jobs in the field you are interested in. Meet with these people so that they get to know you and that you are looking for a job. At the same time you get to know them and what type of work they do. This can help you understand exactly what types of jobs are the most interesting to you.
Good luck.

[Sean Li]

LOL, thanks, now i've known what is connectin and i've registered to SourceForge.net. thanks again to u all.
Now i got a question still. what's the differenct between the scwcd and the scjd. which is better when seeking job?

[Stephen Cowell]

Originally posted by Sean Lee:
Now i got a question still. what's the differenct between the scwcd and the scjd. which is better when seeking job?

Have a look at the java job ads in your part of the world. Do most mention "J2EE, JSP, Servlets"? If so do the SCWCD which is geared to server side Java. If they instead mention "AWT, Swing, J2ME, J2SE" then do SCJD.

[Bhushan Jawle]

I agree with you Tiruvan

[Jim Petersen]

Originally posted by Stephen Cowell:

Have a look at the java job ads in your part of the world. Do most mention "J2EE, JSP, Servlets"? If so do the SCWCD which is geared to server side Java. If they instead mention "AWT, Swing, J2ME, J2SE" then do SCJD.

Although I think the SCJD offers more than the 'memory test' of the SCWCD - at least you do some coding, develop some design strategies... in other words an actual project. In the SCWCD you do some reading to get to a level to pass, which in theory, you may get to without having to write one line code.
My 2p...

[Ashik Uzzaman]

I completely agree with Stephen and Jake The Snake