Originally posted by <Surendra>:
You should not post your personal details, like passport number, name and address everything. your identity can be misused ...
I deleted the post
There are a lot of excellent companies in Toronto that pay top notch salaries.
Originally posted by Don Liu:
Actually, $10 per hour is not too bad. I heard it is $10 Canadian per hour in Toronto, w/o housing.
Nevertheless, this is anything but normal.
Originally posted by Gary McGath:
"Cost of entry" doesn't entitle a person to a job, much less a minimum pay level. You could have spent a fortune studying the art of Y2K fixes; that doesn't mean you can expect to find a job doing it today.
Originally posted by Simon Lee:
yes we are - cost of entry.
burger flippers don't even need to be literate.
A 'typical' programmer should have a degree few years experience and maybe a cert or 2.
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
Well, firts let's remember that no one is entitled to anything. Now if you wnat to argue that the economics justifies an amount, that's different. Last time I checked the cost of entry was a few thousand dollars. Considering that teachers have a higher cost of entry, we're in trouble in the current situation.
How did I come up with that number? The cost of taking a few night classes, reading some books, doing toy projects, and getting certifications is a few thousand dollars. That's roughly the low end of the spectrum. On the high end are people who spend $100,000+ for brand name university degrees.
Now personally, I think people who take a 20 week Java class and get a few certifications, by and large, are not very strong programmers. However, most HR dept's can't easily distinguish between them and someone who has a BS from an anonymous college. Even if they see a raw differential in talent, the picture gets blurred by the different salaries, so that to the employer, a $35k developer with no CS degree is more attractive then a $55k developer with a CS degree. Is this the right view? Not in my opinion, but for now there are enough people making that decision to hold down the market. So long as such people are indistinguishable, you're looking at the lowest cost of entry.
PS The cost of entry to be a science or engineering professor at a good school is quite high: top university BS, top university PhD, post doc, publications, a solid 10 years of your life. And yet salaries are quite low. At MIT for example, they start out around $80k I think, and have roughly a 1-3 chance of getting tenure. So why do they do it? Because some people place a premium on working in academia. There are many people in our profession who simply enjoy programming and would be willing to take a lower paying programming job then a slightly higher paying alternative.
Originally posted by Hideaki Takashima:
I am currently looking for java developers with at least 2 year working experience. However, the Japanese laguage skill will be needed because the working place will be somewhere in Japan. The salary will be around 10 US dollars per hour, but I can negotiate with the payment and I might be able to provide the housing!!! Now in Japan, we have a strong demand for experienced java developers. If you are interested in working in Japan as a java developer, please send me email with your resume.
The following is the email address!!!