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What is the most prestigious Java Certification?

 
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Greetings everyone.

I've being working on IT since 96, programming with Coldfusion, PHP, Java and Flash MX. I just passed SCJP5 and i'm wondering what to study next....

In your opinion, what is the most prestigious Java Certification one can get? I am assuming it is SCEA, but maybe there is another TOP certification from BEA, IBM etc.

Thank you for your comments.

Leonardo Crespo.
 
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Originally posted by Leonardo Crespo:
Greetings everyone.

I've being working on IT since 96, programming with Coldfusion, PHP, Java and Flash MX. I just passed SCJP5 and i'm wondering what to study next....

In your opinion, what is the most prestigious Java Certification one can get? I am assuming it is SCEA, but maybe there is another TOP certification from BEA, IBM etc.

Thank you for your comments.

Leonardo Crespo.



If you just finished the SCJP you should do the SCJD next. It's a real project and you will learn a lot. It is also one of the most prestigious, since you can't just memorize stuff to get it.
 
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Hi Leonardo !

In your opinion, what is the most prestigious Java Certification one can get? I am assuming it is SCEA, but maybe there is another TOP certification from BEA, IBM etc.

You must remain conscious that certifications are of little value for recruiters, in fact no certification grants any real prestige except the dreadful CCIE, which is not only the most difficult certification in IT industry, but simply the most difficult certification in industry.

Certifications are useful to validate your knowledge at mid level : as a beginner you know too little so it is too difficult, as an expert you know too much so it is too boring.

This is why you should attend certifications in logical step order : programmer, developper, JSP/Servlets, EJB, Architect. Personnaly I simply wouldn't trust at all someone who attended SCEA after SCJP, for you don't step from beginner to expert directly, except if you want pure paper prestige without the relevant knowledge associated, which has not any kind of value for any recruiter.

So in all IMHO you should attend in order : SCJP, SCJD, SCWCD, SCBCD, SCEA, optionnally SCMAD and SCDJWS.

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Hi peter !

If you just finished the SCJP you should do the SCJD next. It's a real project and you will learn a lot. It is also one of the most prestigious, since you can't just memorize stuff to get it.

I confirm that SCJD is an excellent certification which involves many interesting topics and allows to learn much (Remote methods, concurrent Threads programming, protective locks, data management, patterns, ...). It is by far the most useful, interesting and entertaining cert I ever passed, except Linux RedHat but this is OS matter.
IMHO SCJD is a must for someone who wants Java certs.

Best regards.
 
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Another view regarding SCJD vis a vis "prestige".

SCJD is supposed to be for those who don't have experience in Java programming. It is composed of a programming assignment and an essay exam. It is good for one's own personal self-development. But as for prestige, I don't know. Many programmers I meet don't hold it in as high regard as SCJP and the other exams. Their main contentions are:

1. that such an exam is done outside of a 'controlled' environment. You can bring it home.... and many things can happen if you bring it home... heh heh he.

2. "Sun should be paying me USD 400 to do the project assignment instead of the other way around".

3. It is more worthwhile to be involved in a for-pay project.
 
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Originally posted by boyet silverio:
Another view regarding SCJD vis a vis "prestige".

SCJD is supposed to be for those who don't have experience in Java programming. It is composed of a programming assignment and an essay exam. It is good for one's own personal self-development. But as for prestige, I don't know. Many programmers I meet don't hold it in as high regard as SCJP and the other exams. Their main contentions are:

1. that such an exam is done outside of a 'controlled' environment. You can bring it home.... and many things can happen if you bring it home... heh heh he.

2. "Sun should be paying me USD 400 to do the project assignment instead of the other way around".

3. It is more worthwhile to be involved in a for-pay project.




For someone with significant development experience in another language, SCJD is an excellent cert and will give you enough milage to be effective using Java on coming projects.

It is nothing to brag about, but it does cover alot of territory and takes more commitment than the other certs.
 
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You must remain conscious that certifications are of little value for recruiters

I think this is beginning to change. I was recently exploring other employment options, and several recruiters I spoke with told me that their clients had a minimum requirement of the SCJP. Some also required advanced certifications such as the SCWCD or SCJD.

I fully agree with those who say the SCJD is the most prestigious at this level. It is a pseudo-real development project, and it demonstrates your ability to actually do something in java, not just take a test.

You should also focus your attention in the java technology you want to follow. If you intend on working on primarily J2SE applications, then SCJD will be the most prestigious for you. If you want to work with J2EE, then the SCEA should be your eventual goal. If you are one of those brave soles who work with J2ME, then aim for the SCMAD.
 
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1.

'better experienced than educated'

2.

if we weight the sun certs, i think scea, scjd, and scwcd/scbcd/scdjws go into 3 good categories....and in a lot of ways, very disconnected from each other...

so if u are going to be an architect, scea is best, actually the only 1 in sun. ibm has its own(set).

if you are going for j2se, then scjd.

if you want to be a j2ee developer, the 3rd set scwcd/scbcd/scdjws could be the best.

scjp by itself most likely would sound nice....but not that much
 
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For me, the most prestigious Java cert I can get is the one that begins with the phrase "Pay to the Order of:"
 
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I am studying now for the SCEA. I really hope it's the most prestigious

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Apart from the constraints of the Sun learning paths, you don't need to do the SCJD before the SCEA, it all depends on what you are trying to achieve. The SCJD does not cover J2EE and therefore, as the SCEA does include J2EE, provides limited value in preparation for the SCEA.

My recommendation is to go for whatever certification you require using the recommended learning path. For the SCJD you must do the SCJP. When I completed the SCJP and SCJD I was an Application Designer, specialising in OOA&D but, as I was performing more and more architectural roles, I decided to use my training and experience for the SCEA. On all three certifications I learnt something that I did not previously know and therefore all three [in my opinion] where worthwhile.

Have they helped me get promotion or find a better job? I think they have in the same principle of an educational qualification; in that they provide the employer with some degree of prove that you are capable of learning new technology and, more importantly, are active in providing yourself with some personal training. I don't think an employer will look at a SCEA and say "Wow, you are a guru, here is a cheque" but they will look at the SCEA and think this guy has put some serious effort into learning new skills.

I spent a year interviewing contract and permanent staff for architecture and design roles and, on the odd occasion I came across a certification, I knew that the guy was [at least once] dedicated to keeping up his skills. I still checked the level of his understanding but the ones with the SCJD and SCEA always had that little more understanding in regards to OOA&D, UML and Java Technology. This was before I had any certifications and convinced me that they did provide an additional insight into their objective subject.

 
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The best java certification is the HGJC.

The Hot Gorrie Java Certification.

Here is an sample test.

1. true or false this is a String declaration
int myInt = 30;

2. true or false you have a nice body


If you have this, you are set.
 
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would all these certifications (even CCIE) helps in the application of postgrduate degrees in pretigious ivy league school?
 
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