Which Offer to accept?

[roopalis das]

Hi

I have got following offers:

HP-
Fidelity
EMC
Symantec
Ericcson
Virtusa-Hyd

None commits to onsite though say there might be some.
HP,Symantec pay best...virtusa pays 50k less...emc pays 1 lc lesser...!
fidelity is most comfy job....more time to study...n nearer to home..!

work is same evrwhere...!
hyd is cheaper cost of living......pune is better...
bangalore has lotsa opportunities..!
i wanna go fr GMAT in a year's time...!

In a fix....please suggest!

[Sara Jahan]

Hi,

Dont know about others. But I worked with Ericsson India for 3 years. My husband has been with them since the last 7 years - in the Delhi office. He has just gone back to India after a 8-month contract position in Europe.

Since, its a European company the pace and culture is very different than others. For instance, if you are sent abroad on any asignment you are put up in a very good hotel mostly 5-star or a serviced apartment, irrespective of the fact that you are a fresher or a senior person. They also invest a lot in employee training etc. Overall, a very employee-friendly company.

Just my bit. Hope you make the right.

Sara

[Manish Hatwalne]

I second that -- European companies are much more employee friendly and liberal in terms of holidays and workload as acompared to US based company.

BTW, the offer list is quite impressive...where are you located and how much experience do you have?

- Manish

[bhaskar vijay]

I personally like fidelity. you will be more exposed to finance domain and good pay as well.

[Kj Reddy]

I opt for either Fidelity or Ericcson. If you are interested in finance domain go for Fidelity or if you are interested in telecom domain go for Ericcson

[roopalis das]

Hi..
Thanks a lot for marking your views,indeed helpful!

I am working with HCL currently, 1.7 years of exp as Build & Release Engg.
I am also looking for a good brand which can gimme leverage for my GMAT.
Since all of 'em are...I too confused!

Thanks everyne..n i surely need more advice on this..!

[Ram Munshi]

How much offered by each company ?

[roopalis das]

hi

HP-6.25
good brand...good wrkin environ..bangalore is good fr options ahead..!

Virtusa-6
Hyd is cheap...saving wud be much more..services company...onsite chance is max here...!

EMC-5.3
good cmpany..rapidly expanding in india...good paymaster..but i din negotiate well here i guess...!

Fidelity - 3.75
finance cmpny...great brand...minimum in case of compensation..relaxed work environs...near to home but diff is huge: more than 2.25 lacs!!!

Ericcson-hvnt made offer as yet

Symantec-6.25
pune is cheaper thn bnglore...good cmpny...great environ...good work culture...onsite almost none!

concern:
1.lotsa b-schools need international exposure...hence onsite bcmes crucial fr competitive application is a global pool!

2. need money to fund atlst 1st semester of studies....apart frm loans n stuff!

3.need time to take GMAT...so need free time as well )

4. wud work only fr a year...so long term gains right now is not wat m thinkin abt...

5.pre-MBA salary also affects post -mba placements!!

6.at home gives good time to study but pay pack is too lesser...

huh....any analysis???

looking frward to hear frm all of u...plz!

-roopali

[Manish Hatwalne]

I am surprised as hell to see offers made by companies for less than 2 years experience. In 2003, Symantec (Veritas at that time) offered me only 5 LPA (and I was drawing a bit higher at that time) for 4 years experience -- of course, salary standards were different then, and now they are ridiculously high -- still 6 LPA for 2 years experience baffles me.

Anyway!! Since only 1 year is your main criteria and you want to fund your studies, HP or Symantec seem to make more sense. Don't worry too much about perception of onsite experience -- don't plan too much in all aspects, you're most likely to be disappointed if you collect points or plan to that level of details when lots of things are beyond your control. If you do well in your GMAT, having experience in a reputed brand would definitely help. Where are you located? See if you can negotiate with Fidelity. Good luck!!

- Manish

p.s. Please do ask questions in a little more formal language on public forums, this kind of language is fine for casual mails with freinds, otherwise it is such an eyesore!

[roopalis das]

Manish
Thanks a lot for guidance!
I am a newbie, may be I need to lean more about netiquette on public forums.
Would take care from next time.
) (I hope a smiley isnt a deviation in this regard)

Thanks a lot.
-Roopali

[Vineela Devi]

Hi Roopali,

Just curious to know.Whats ur current pay in HCL?

Regards,
Vineela

[roopalis das]

2.85!

[Kj Reddy]

Roopali, definitely Fidelity will be a good place to work and will add some weightage for your MBA placements. But the salary is less compare to HP & other offers. Even HP experience can add weightage for your placements.

Try to bargain with Fidelity based on other offers you have. If they can offer you some where near to other offers that will be better choice.

[s jain]

if MBA is ur plan then exposure to financial domain in fidelity will be good & if u prefer to learn more technical choose symantech.

[Sim Kim]

Hi Roopalis,Manish

How did u managed to go to Symantec ?
On What experience ? Do they take people with J2EE experience ?

Thanks,
Lavjeet

[Manish Hatwalne]

Originally posted by Lavjeet Khanuja:
Hi Roopalis,Manish

How did u managed to go to Symantec ?
On What experience ? Do they take people with J2EE experience ?

Thanks,
Lavjeet

Well, I am not working for Symantec (which I do regret at times) I only had an offer at that time. I was interviewed on core networking, Core Java and protocols stuff. They did consider for Java position as well, and I have rather diverse profile (more so at that time) with things ranging from WAP to C on Linux and yes -- Java of course!

- Manish

[shalu sharma]

Originally posted by roopalis das:

HP-6.25
good brand...good wrkin environ..bangalore is good fr options ahead..!

This is a very good offer from HP as I had a offer from HP of 7 with 5.5 yrs of exp in j2ee. But that was around 6 months back, still salary structure don't change so fast i guess. I also feels that you negotiated good .. a sign of good budding manager..

[Sim Kim]

Hi Manish,Roopalis,

Can I get youe email ids ? Need to ask some queries ?

BTW Manish you are from Pune right ?

Thanks,
Lavjeet

[Kj Reddy]

Originally posted by shalu sharma:


This is a very good offer from HP as I had a offer from HP of 7 with 5.5 yrs of exp in j2ee. But that was around 6 months back, still salary structure don't change so fast i guess. I also feels that you negotiated good .. a sign of good budding manager..

True. For less than 2 years experience that very good offer from HP.

[Appu Chan]

6.25 lacs salary for a 1.7 exp'ed build engr in a company with 10,000+ employees is a little bit doubtful. I think there is something wrong somewhere. Of course many product companies and cos like Google, Yahoo etc will pay exceptionally well.

Appu.

[D Kumar]

My friend in Hp was shocked to hear this.

[ankur rathi]

Originally posted by roopalis das:
Hi

I have got following offers:

HP-
Fidelity
EMC
Symantec
Ericcson
Virtusa-Hyd

None commits to onsite though say there might be some.
HP,Symantec pay best...virtusa pays 50k less...emc pays 1 lc lesser...!
fidelity is most comfy job....more time to study...n nearer to home..!

work is same evrwhere...!
hyd is cheaper cost of living......pune is better...
bangalore has lotsa opportunities..!
i wanna go fr GMAT in a year's time...!

In a fix....please suggest!

How you applied (or got call) in (from) all such companies? I mean, are you from some recognized institute or on what basis???

My suggestion: HP



Second suggestion: Don't waste time in MBA if you are getting salary at this rate...

[Auro Samal]

some how there is s sudden surge in demand for Build & Release Engineers.
and companies are finding it hard to find people for this requirement.
and because of this demand-supply gap people are being offered staggering salaries.
one of my friend joined wipro, 3yrs exp in build engg, for 6L.
not sure career-wise how safe is the bet.

[Sameer Jamal]

Originally posted by Auro Samal:
some how there is s sudden surge in demand for Build & Release Engineers.
and companies are finding it hard to find people for this requirement.
and because of this demand-supply gap people are being offered staggering salaries.
one of my friend joined wipro, 3yrs exp in build engg, for 6L.
not sure career-wise how safe is the bet.

You are right, I've worked on the Installshield Professional and I mention it in my resume, currently I am amazed as most of the openings I receive is for the build engineer.

[Manish Hatwalne]

Hey, I have done some of Instalshield stuff as well!
But a friend of mine in Wipro with 6 years expereince is drawing around 8.5 LPA, so 6 LPA for 3 years is pretty good again.

- Manish

[Manish Hatwalne]

Originally posted by Howard Chan:
6.25 lacs salary for a 1.7 exp'ed build engr in a company with 10,000+ employees is a little bit doubtful. I think there is something wrong somewhere. Of course many product companies and cos like Google, Yahoo etc will pay exceptionally well.

Appu.

On second thoughts....I also think likewise, but you never know.

- Manish

[Sim Kim]

Hi Manish,Roopalis,

Can I get youe email ids ? Need to ask some queries ?

BTW Manish you are from Pune right ?

Thanks,
Lavjeet

[Manish Hatwalne]

Originally posted by Lavjeet Khanuja:
Hi Manish,Roopalis,

Can I get youe email ids ? Need to ask some queries ?

BTW Manish you are from Pune right ?

Thanks,
Lavjeet

PM is the obvious way!! I am not putting my mail ID here, had too many bad experiences of cyber-stalking.

You're planning to join Veritas/Symantec and you can't even figure out how to contact me?? *Applying* knowledge/problem solving ability is the thing most desired, but least demonstrated.

- Manish

[roopalis das]

Please do answer people in a little more sarcasm-less language on public forums, this kind of language is fine for pulling leg of freinds, otherwise it is such an eyesore!


Just FYI.

[Pradeep bhatt]

I am not putting my mail ID here, had too many bad experiences of cyber-stalking.

Me too.

[Manish Hatwalne]

Originally posted by roopalis das:
Please do answer people in a little more sarcasm-less language on public forums, this kind of language is fine for pulling leg of freinds, otherwise it is such an eyesore!


Just FYI.

I know why it is coming, so I won't react!

I have received far too many PMs from people askimg me questions for various interviews, sarcasm comes from there (if at all it is that, I think I just answered to-the-point), besides I think one shouldn't reveal personal information on public forums. You gave your CTC, I wouldn't.

Just FYI.

Have you participated in NGs? Have you seen how often you're corrected -- it was not meant to offend but to make sure people understand what you write.

- Manish
[ February 15, 2006: Message edited by: Manish Hatwalne ]

[roopalis das]

I am sure there are better ways to make people understand clearly. Being a better writer & being more expressive is certainly one of them!!


Well, you wouldnt mention your CTC & I wouldnt shrug someone off to flaunt my genius....just a difference in perception of etiquettes in public forums!

This world should be a safe place for diversity; isnt it?
So that Manish & Roopalis can co-exist in this thread atleast

[Manish Hatwalne]

Originally posted by roopalis das:
I am sure there are better ways to make people understand clearly. Being a better writer & being more expressive is certainly one of them!!


Well, you wouldnt mention your CTC & I wouldnt shrug someone off to flaunt my genius....just a difference in perception of etiquettes in public forums!

This world should be a safe place for diversity; isnt it?
So that Manish & Roopalis can co-exist in this thread atleast

Participate in NG and talk in this tone...it would be a nice ego-buster for you! I was not flaunting my *genius* just stating the obvious -- you interpreted it in that sense to get back, rather puerile I'd say!

Agree with you on diversity -- rest you'll understand over a period of time hopefully!

- Manish
[ February 15, 2006: Message edited by: Manish Hatwalne ]

[Sonny Gill]

Originally posted by roopalis das:
Please do answer people in a little more sarcasm-less language on public forums, this kind of language is fine for pulling leg of freinds, otherwise it is such an eyesore!


Just FYI.

Huh!...no sarcasm on a public forum!!!

[Anjali S Sharma]

Originally posted by Manish Hatwalne:


Participate in NG and talk in this tone...

[ February 15, 2006: Message edited by: Manish Hatwalne ]

Sorry to interrupt you guys, what is NG BTW

[Sameer Jamal]

Originally posted by Anjali S Sharma:


Sorry to interrupt you guys, what is NG BTW

I think News Groups.

[Manish Hatwalne]

Right! NG = news group.

Often those FAQs mention that when someone corrects you, you politely say thank you and correct yourself to post accordingly insatead of taking it personally (and then picking up out of context to get back).

Sarcasm was interpretation & not intention. If you interact with professionals, you don't expect them to explain each & every little thing, and what may see rude to you, is just to-the-point way of communicating things -- there's no spoon feeding here!! You'll learn it the hard way...sooner or later.

- Manish

[roopalis das]

I wonder if sarcasm is ever an interpretation & not intention?


If email id's can be given in a PM, I am sure even such 'straightforward' communication can be carried out via PM's as well?? isnt it??

If theres a 'Thank You'...then I am sure theres a 'Sorry' as well in forums!
I wonder if this is anything but the hard way

[Manish Hatwalne]

Originally posted by roopalis das:
I wonder if sarcasm is ever an interpretation & not intention?


If email id's can be given in a PM, I am sure even such 'straightforward' communication can be carried out via PM's as well?? isnt it??

If theres a 'Thank You'...then I am sure theres a 'Sorry' as well in forums!
I wonder if this is anything but the hard way

Yes, like anything else sarcasm can be an interpretation! If you don't understand that probably that just shows your level of maturity.

I can say lot more, but difficult to be nice with oversmart rookies, so I choose to stop! Maybe someone will *teach* you what you need to learn so badly!

- Manish

[Manish Hatwalne]

Originally posted by roopalis das:
I wonder if sarcasm is ever an interpretation & not intention?


If email id's can be given in a PM, I am sure even such 'straightforward' communication can be carried out via PM's as well?? isnt it??

If theres a 'Thank You'...then I am sure theres a 'Sorry' as well in forums!
I wonder if this is anything but the hard way

On second thoughts, maybe you can offer sorry.

One for posting in casual, informal language on board with 'plz', wud' etc, (someone was criticized earlier fo rthsi sort of post) and secondly for answering the post which was meant for "Lavjeet" to score a personal point.

There are general guidelines about how to ask questions properly, read them. What I suggested would almost, always be be suggested by any seasoned member on forum/NG.

I am done for this thread; Lavjeet send me a PM if you need to know more. When you need help, or have questions you should take initiative to seek help. That's a basic protocol man!

- Manish