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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
I am convinced that this movie comes from such a Catholic sensibility that non-Catholics aren't getting it. It wasn't the Jews who nailed Jesus to the cross. And it wasn't the Romans either. It was you and me and we continue to do it every day when we sin against God's commandments.
Every year during Lent there is a time in Catholic Churches where Catholics recreate the Passion. The congregation takes the role of the crowd and at one point the congregation shouts out, "Crucify Him." We are the ones shouting out to crucify Jesus.
First Things had an excellent review of the movie. You can read it here:
http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft0403/opinion/hittingerlev.html
Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
I'm not Catholic and I get it. Tom is exactly right. And it is exactly what Mel said. I read a review yesterday where a guy was mad because the context as to why Jesus was betrayed and arrested a night wasn't there. So you missed some understanding of how crucial it would have been to "sneak" up on Him to arrest Him. They didn't know how willing He was going to be to be arrested.
HELLO - LAST 12 HOURS MEAN ANYTHING??
It wasn't Mel's intent to show you this context. If you want to know, go read the Gospals. This was the part Mel wanted to show. Not to give everyone a complete understanding from point A to point B but more a specific window of a moment. THE moment. The last 12 hours.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
It wasn't the Jews who nailed Jesus to the cross. And it wasn't the Romans either. It was you and me and we continue to do it every day when we sin against God's commandments.
Originally posted by Joe King:
There's plenty of other fantasy films out at the moment, Lord Of The Rings is about as believable, but probably with better special effects.
Originally posted by Joe King:
Personally I haven't crucified anyone recently.
We do know from other sources than the Bible (Josephus, for example) that Jesus really existed and really was crucified. The crucifixion itself is accurate. The Romans would always beat the person before the crucifixion. The longer the beating, the less time the person would survive on the cross.Originally posted by Joe King:
There's plenty of other fantasy films out at the moment, Lord Of The Rings is about as believable, but probably with better special effects.
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Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius - and a lot of courage - to move in the opposite direction. - Ernst F. Schumacher
Gregg Bolinger: Personally, I haven't owned any African Slaves. But I am still held accountable in some way today now aren't I.
Actually he tried to underplay criticizing his father. Those are two very different things.Originally posted by Falana Dhimkana:
Mel, also has tried to tried to underplay the holocaust.
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Associate Instructor - Hofstra University
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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
Personally, I haven't owned any African Slaves. But I am still held accountable in some way today now aren't I.
The Times reported Gibson's decision to make changes in his film "The Passion of the Christ," as reported on NewMax.com Tuesday. Gibson has removed the scene of Jewish high priest Caiaphas saying, of Jesus' death, "His blood be on us and on our children."
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Originally posted by Joe Pluta:
Actually he tried to underplay criticizing his father. Those are two very different things.
If this report is accurate, it seems to me that Mr. Gibson doesn't quite get the concept of the Holocaust.
Joe
Originally posted by Jim Yingst:
You mean like God, God II: The Revenge, and Son of God? Waitaminnit, they've started with the son already; time to do prequels I suppose.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Should women's groups demand that at least one of the Three Wise Men be changed into a woman?
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Well, then it would have to be the Three Wise Persons.
My own preference is for the Three Wise Guys.
Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:
Being Jewish, I am very interested in seeing this movie to see if there is any reason for this ado.
Mark
Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Actually he tried to underplay criticizing his father. Those are two very different things.
Among other things Gibson discussed in his interview with Noonan, he told her that "he loved his father," according to the Times. Noonan persisted, telling Gibson: "You're going to have to go on record. The Holocaust happened, right?"
Gibson made clear his position: "I have friends and parents of friends who have numbers on their arms. The guy who taught me Spanish was a Holocaust survivor. He worked in a concentration camp in France. Yes, of course. Atrocities happened.
"War is horrible. The Second World War killed tens of millions of people. Some of them were Jews in concentration camps. Many people lost their lives. In the Ukraine several million starved to death between 1932 and 1933. During the last century 20 million people died in the Soviet Union."
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Originally posted by Aurora Sandman:
Afterall, it's not only the "bad guys" in the movie who are Jews. Jesus was a Jew. His mother was a Jew. His disciples were Jews. Every author of the Old and New Testaments were Jews. Almost every Biblical "good guy" was a Jew.
Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
Unfortunately, there's a fallacy here. Yes, all these people were Jews. But as any card-carrying anti-semite will tell you, the ones who had the opportunity all immediately ceased being Jews and signed up as the first Christians.
Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
The Jews that were left over -- the ones that chose to remain Jewish -- are the ones who are have been historically blamed for Jesus' death.
Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
I'm not talking about anyone involved in this discussion -- it sounds as if everyone here is entirely enlightened -- but historically, organized religion has been the source of an astonishing amount of hypocrisy. It's incomprehensible to me that anyone could have read the New Testament and, based on what they had read, picked up a sword, mounted their horse, and rode off to the Middle East to slaughter the Moors in His name -- but folks spent a few hundred years (or more?) doing precisely that.
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