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Foreign (non-US) TV channels are reporting that


Osama bin Laden was captured in Pakistan about a month ago, and the Bush Adminstration has been waiting for a proper timing to announce it. The source of the information is from Iran. While Iranians swore that they knew the captivity for sure, both Pakistani and U.S. officials denied.


There is no way for me to judge the reliability of the information (no time, no energy, no resources). Those Democrat Presidential candidates may be interested in digging it out.
[ February 29, 2004: Message edited by: Natalie Kopple ]
[ March 01, 2004: Message edited by: Natalie Kopple ]
 
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If this is true, then no doubt it will be used to get votes for Bush.
But I seriously doubt it, because if the Iranians knew he was captured, then so would other nations and declare it to the world.
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The source of the information is from Iran. The T.V. channels that are broadcasting the news are those of other nations. (Note, I said "nations". I did not say "nation".)
 
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In other news, French sources are reporting that Englishmen have tails hidden under their breeches.
 
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The guy who is passing out this information is Asheq Hossein, the head of Iran's Pushtun news service, a special new radio that broadcasts to Pakistan and Afghanistan. Try as I might, I couldn't find anything that backs up Hossein's claims. Instead, I found the following:
http://thepakistaninewspaper.com/news_detail.php?id=521
http://www.gulf-daily-news.com/Articles.asp?Article=75462&Sn=WORL
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-02/28/content_1336774.htm
http://www.mlive.com/newsflash/lateststories/index.ssf?/base/international-11/1077966540268471.xml
I love the spin the Chinese put on it. The ambassador says he has no knowledge of any such story, and the Chinese say "he didn't deny it!" This is journalism in action. And the last notice says that one of Hossein's "sources" denies saying anything. Hossein refuses to name his other "source". So of the two "sources", there are actually none that can be confirmed.
And the fact that other nations pick this crap up, well, just look at the Chinese spin. And of course the timing is perfect. What Pakistan and the US are saying is that they're pretty darned close to getting Osama. And the last thing anybody with a heavy anti-American bent wants right now is yet another victory for President Bush's, which bin Laden's capture would most certainly be. So they'll try anything to derail the attention, including baseless accusations which they know will be picked up and repeated all over the world.
By the way, the part that doesn't pass the smell test even by a little bit? "[Hossein's] report said that U.S. Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld's visit to the region this week was in connection with the arrest." Uh. If he was captured so long ago, why would Rumsfeld be flying out there this week? If the President really wanted to capitalize on this for election day, my guess is he'd wait until August or September.
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I personally doubt that it would be true - although revealing OSB's capture just before the election would be fantastic for Bush, so many people would leap up and say "its a conspiracy!" that somebody would be sure to reveal it if it was - the risk would just be too high. Also, if they were going to do this kind of set up, might they have done the same with Hussein?
I wonder if any bookies are offering odds on his capture being just before the election......
 
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I'll give you 12-1 !!!

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Perhaps the Pakistanis/Iranians are going to let him get caught just before the election. The Iranians are already planting stories that we have him...
 
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For a safe bet, go with the Pentagon: "Osama is either dead or alive."
 
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
For a safe bet, go with the Pentagon: "Osama is either dead or alive."


Hi,
If dead, then where is the remain? No remain is considered alive.
Regards,
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:

Hi,
If dead, then where is the remain? No remain is considered alive.
Regards,
MCao


no, no remains is considered "either dead or alive"
Any such claims will come from people wanting to harm president Bush.
I wouldn't be surprised if the real source turns out to be his adversaries in the upcoming presidential election campaign.
The "democratic workers party of the USA" has been known for it's underhanded tactics.
 
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Originally posted by Eugene Kononov:
For a safe bet, go with the Pentagon: "Osama is either dead or alive."


What else can he be?

Davy
 
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:

The "democratic workers party of the USA" has been known for it's underhanded tactics.


Hi,
Based on how Bush get into the Whitehouse, I thing more like the Bush camp has been known for it's underhanded tactics.
Jackass party never have been clever since the beginning. If I am a Democrat Chairman, I would try to recruit a few sharp female candidates than just a rainbow of jackass as I have seen so far. But who know Californians has been know for doing their own things.
Regards,
MCao
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:
Based on how Bush get into the Whitehouse...


You mean by being elected? Yeah, that whole electoral college thing sure is a downer. Note to anybody planning on running for the Presidency in the future... it really can help sometimes to win your own state. :roll:
 
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:


Based on how Bush get into the Whitehouse, I thing more like the Bush camp has been known for it's underhanded tactics.
[ March 02, 2004: Message edited by: Matt Cao ]


yes, some people would say that winning the elections despite attempts by the competition to corrupt the results is underhanded.
But that's the way democracies are meant to work ya know?
 
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Anyone who honestly believes that the US Government already has bin Laden, please raise your hand. If your hand is up--congratulations: you are blinded by ideology.
In future conversations, make sure you express this belief to those around you so that reasonable and rational people can save time by not engaging you on the issues of the day.
On a totally different topic--I run a business selling high-grade Tin Foil Hats(TM) used for blocking out the US Government's thought control rays for only $199.99. If you believe you have been specifically targeted by the US Government, you will probably want to upgrade to our Tin Foil Helmet(TM) line of thought protection gear for an additional $200 to defend against the government's comprehensive, high-powered satellite UV thought control system.
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Originally posted by sever oon:
Anyone who honestly believes that the US Government already has bin Laden, please raise your hand. If your hand is up--congratulations: you are blinded by ideology.
In future conversations, make sure you express this belief to those around you so that reasonable and rational people can save time by not engaging you on the issues of the day.
On a totally different topic--I run a business selling high-grade Tin Foil Hats(TM) used for blocking out the US Government's thought control rays for only $199.99. If you believe you have been specifically targeted by the US Government, you will probably want to upgrade to our Tin Foil Helmet(TM) line of thought protection gear for an additional $200 to defend against the government's comprehensive, high-powered satellite UV thought control system.
sev


Sign me up for 2 of the helmets. Where do I send my money? Wait a minute, how do I know that these actually block the signals? I bet they probably amplify them. Your one of them aren't you. You are trying to streal my thoughts and take over my brain. Well you won't get me that easily.
 
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I can't say if that story is true or not, but here is my prediction.
Osama Bin Ladin will be captured before November's election and timed as best as possible to help Bush get votes.
I used to be a supporter for Bush, but the more and more I see, the more corrupt, dishonest(complete liar) and manipulative I see that he is.
I have never been registered to vote in all my life. I am now 36, and I am going to register now, just to vote against Bush.
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... Bush got my sympathy because everybody here in Germany seems to hate him. We are talking about a country, where every Michael Moore book becomes bestseller. As if we hadn't enough problems in our very own country.
... but there are now so many reports about government excerting pressure against journalist of bigger TV-channels/ newspapers through the bosses of those "news"-companies.
I don't like that. And no 100 Jason Menards can convince me that its just counter-messure againt traditionally "socialist" US media.
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Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:

I used to be a supporter for Bush, but the more and more I see, the more corrupt, dishonest(complete liar) and manipulative I see that he is.


Why not provide some facts to back up the rhetoric?
 
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:

Why not provide some facts to back up the rhetoric?


WMD!!
Enough said there. And I am not a political person, nor do I ever want to be.
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If the US Gov't really were planning to keep hold of Osama until a time when they could max the political profit, then surely they'd have done the same with Sadaam don't you think?
 
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If the US Gov't really were planning to keep hold of Osama until a time when they could max the political profit, then surely they'd have done the same with Sadaam don't you think?
Please, Richard, don't taint the Bush-bashing with common sense.
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Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:

WMD!!
Enough said there. And I am not a political person, nor do I ever want to be.
Mark


That isn't enough said. Many democrats said the same thing. Including Kerry. You can believe what the Dems are spoon feeding you now or what they said in the past.
Proof: Are the Democrats still speaking with forked tongues? Let's look at the facts....
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

SO NOW THESE SAME DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED--THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR UNECESSARILY!
 
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And of course there is no dispute, and in fact there is proof, that the Iraqis had illegal WMD programs and other illegal weapons programs. The fact is that there were unaccounted fro WMDs when the inspectors left in 1998. How convenient it is to not remember these things. How convenient it is not to remember that every nation on the planet, including Iraq apparently, thought that Iraq had these weapons. How convenient it is to forget that Iraq has used these weapons and gave every indication it would do so again. So accepting "WMD!!! Enough said." just at that would mean that I would have to be conveniently forgetting (or blissfully unaware) of the actual facts surrounding events. Of course I would also have to forget that Hussein was a supporter of international terrorism, that he tried to assassinate Bush I, that he was in violation of the terms of the 1991 Gulf War cease fire, and that he helmed one of the most murderous regimes our planet has been witness to. Or... I would have to console myself that it was okay if he was a brutally murderous regime, just as long as nobody I knew was subject to it, it was okay for others to suffer, and that after 2001, regimes that actively support international terrorism should just be given a pass.
I can't for the life of me imagine how any sane person can draw the conclusion that it was in the best interest of the planet and the people of Iraq to leave him in power. Thank God we have a President with the moral fortitude to take care of business.
 
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:
That isn't enough said. Many democrats said the same thing. Including Kerry. You can believe what the Dems are spoon feeding you now or what they said in the past.


I think it's more trendy to believe what they are saying now and simply ignore any past statements which may conflict with one's current political sentiments. Or barring that, at least make up some excuse to tell yourself to justify the discrepancy between their past statements versus their present ones.
 
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Much as I dislike Bush, to be fair I dont think he was lying about WMD. Both Bush and Blair said that there were WMD, but they most likely did so because they were being shown evidence from their respective (and each other's) intelleigence staff. We all saw the intelligence that Powell showed the UN. Wether or not this was true, Bush thought it was true and so wasn't really lying - given the wrong impression by dodgy intelligence? Maybe, but not lying.
I can't believe I just defended Bush. I must be ill or something.....
 
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Originally posted by Joe King:
Much as I dislike Bush, to be fair I dont think he was lying about WMD. Both Bush and Blair said that there were WMD, but they most likely did so because they were being shown evidence from their respective (and each other's) intelleigence staff. We all saw the intelligence that Powell showed the UN. Wether or not this was true, Bush thought it was true and so wasn't really lying - given the wrong impression by dodgy intelligence? Maybe, but not lying.
I can't believe I just defended Bush. I must be ill or something.....


I think they have pills for that. Just go down to your nearest pharmacy and ask for Viagra, It will have you beating on Bush again.
Mark
 
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Foreign (non-U.S.) TV channels repeated the news today that U.S. has Osama bin Laden and GWB is holding the news till some critical moment of the election to announce it.
I happen to watch foreign TV channels a lot. And I am only a messenger.
 
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OBL has been captured ?
Which foreign news channel ? Try watching the BBC instead.
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Originally posted by Natalie Kopple:
Foreign (non-U.S.) TV channels repeated the news today that U.S. has Osama bin Laden and GWB is holding the news till some critical moment of the election to announce it.
I happen to watch foreign TV channels a lot. And I am only a messenger.


Which foreign news channels? Come on, give us a hint. Please!
 
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That pseudo-news is pure BS.
Even this corrupt secretive admin, maybe more so than Nixon's, would not try to pull something like this.
In the words of the father (as portrayed by Dana Carvey) "It would not be prudent"
Bin Laden won't probably be caught in the next 5 years (I hope I'm wrong).
He's no Saddam who was hated by a lot of his people who were ready to turn him in.
Osama is like a saint to too many muslims, especially the ones that are charged with protecting him.
If he's in Pakistan he will never be found because that country won't allow our very capable military to go in and search.
The Pakistani government already let some al-queida dudes escape just recently. The whole "effort" by that government was only to make us believe that they are doing something. But their heart is not really into capturing osama or his cohort. It would be too dangerous for Musharaf (sp) to actually capture any of those 2.
And it would be the worst for the civilized world if Pakistan, with its nuclear weapons, were to fall into the hands of islamic radicals: Osama with working nukes!
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