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Hey, any NASCAR fans out there?
This weekend in Vegas is the first test for the new softer tires. If they put a premium on experience, and thus the young guns don't do as well, will the powers that be go back to the harder tires? And if experience will pay off, RUSTY should end his losing streak, and we can stop hearing about how long it's been since his last victory!!
Racing - it's not a matter of life and death, it's much more important than that!!
 
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Rusty won't win.
 
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And who do you think will win?
And Martin Truex, Jr will break through with his first Busch win!!!
 
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Man there has been some nice crashes in the first two races....keep them coming!!
 
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What do you mean nice crashes. They were awful--none involved that #24 car!!!
 
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Matt Kenseth will probably win. That was the only race he won last year and he is running really well this year already. I'm a D.E. jr. fan myself. I don't expect him to favor well though. He isn't too good at Vegas.
 
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Kenseth has already matched last years win total but he can win anywhere. I think the softer tires are going to have a big impact. The young guns who go all out all the time may have trouble at the end of long runs. And one of these weeks, RUSTY is going to pull one out--I hope.
 
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Originally posted by Mike Rutgers:
They were awful--none involved that #24 car!!!


AMEN!!
I don't expect Gordon to do well at all this season. And that makes me happy. He kind of shot his wad early in his career. He's kind of like Michael Jordan. He was really good in the beginning, but now, everyone else is just as good, if not better.
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What is the fascination with NASCAR? I don't get it.
I prefer a sport that takes athleticism, not relying on a machine.
Is NASCAR even really a sport? A competition maybe, but not a sport.
 
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Originally posted by Damien Howard:
What is the fascination with NASCAR? I don't get it.
I prefer a sport that takes athleticism, not relying on a machine.
Is NASCAR even really a sport? A competition maybe, but not a sport.


As opposed to the sports that rely on steroids.
 
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He's kind of like Michael Jordan. He was really good in the beginning, but now, everyone else is just as good, if not better.
HUH?
The man managed to lead a team of unremarkable talent (with the exception of Scottie Pippen and perhaps The Dennis) to six championships in eight years, without ever having a legitimate center! AFAIK, he is the only player (except Shaq, once I think) to gain a championship ring while leading the league in scoring.
He played nearly every game in every season but two, and averaged over 38 minutes a game. He was named the MVP of the league AND the Defensive player of the year in the same season. People don't realize this, but along with 10 selections to the All-NBA team, he was also named to the All-NBA DEFENSIVE team nine times. Over 2000 career steals is a pretty impressive figure.
You can say a lot of things about Michael, but to say he shot his wad early is a pretty questionable summary of the facts. Here's a really interesting point: Michael had five MVPs (same as Wilt, Kareem and Bill Russell). But the span between his first and last was EIGHT YEARS. The only person in history to have two MVPs farther apart was Kareem. That's a testament to staying power.
And with all that, he STILL hasn't been charged with a felony (although they might have considered fraud charges for his baseball "career" ). His swan song with the Wizards was not the smartest move, but you can't begrudge a man for trying, and it certainly doesn't tarnish perhaps the most spectacular career in the game.
And as far as I can see, nobody is currently at the same level as Michael was at his prime (which was pretty much most of the 90's). That's especially true when you consider what is arguably the most important statistic: rings. The new crop has talent, and some of them may even have the work ethic. We'll see. I like the kid, James. But until one of the new kids racks up a few MVPs and a couple of rings, I'm not pushing Number 23 out of the top spot.
Joe
 
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What annoys many about MJ was the anouncers. Take the game where he played with a cold. Here is the announcers rendition.
MJ has come off his death bed with a 400 degree fever to lead his team to victory. He was declared leagally dead before the game started but look at the remarkable come back. This is the greates accomplishment in the history of the world.
 
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Take the game where he played with a cold.
If you're talking about the '97 championship series, the dude had the stomach flu and spent the day in his hotel room throwing up. Yet he still came out and scored 38 against the smothering Utah Jazz defense. Most of us can't even get out of bad with the stomach flu, much less play 48 minutes of basketball. The announcers may have overdone it at times, but I think you might be minimizing it.
Joe
 
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Originally posted by Damien Howard:
What is the fascination with NASCAR? I don't get it.
I prefer a sport that takes athleticism, not relying on a machine.
Is NASCAR even really a sport? A competition maybe, but not a sport.


Doesn't take athletics? Just sitting in those cars, where the temp is often well over 100F for 3 hours takes a lot of conditioning. The constantly changing G forces take a toll on the body. What they do is not a simple drive on an empty highway. If the car is not perfect, it takes a lot to keep it in the racing groove, and if you get out of that groove by sometimes less than a foot, you're in the wall.
Now what's all this talk about Michael Jordan? This is a NASCAR thread!!!
 
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However, while I'm no Jeff Gordon fan, I certainly don't think he is finished. Because he had such a young start, he is a lot younger than most people realize. He is only 7 months older than "young gun" Matt Kenseth, 7 months younger than rookie Scott Riggs, and close to 1 1/2 years younger than last year's rookie Greg Biffle. With 4 championships, he is second only to Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt. When he was 33 (the age Gordo turns this year) the King had only 2 Cup Titles, and Earnhardt didn't get his 2nd until he was 35. My point being, at an age when some drivers are just getting started in NASCAR, he has already done more than most.
But I still don't like him!!
 
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Michael Schumacher will do it again.
 
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Michael Schumacher? Who's he? Oh, he does Formula 1. He probably will do it again, wherein lies a problem with F1 - no suspense.
When does the F1 season begin? Hopefully somebody will at least challenge Shumacher this year.
 
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Originally posted by Damien Howard:
What is the fascination with NASCAR? I don't get it.
I prefer a sport that takes athleticism, not relying on a machine.
Is NASCAR even really a sport? A competition maybe, but not a sport.


I once heard this analogy...
Get in your car on some sunny 105 degree day. Dress from head to toe 2 layers of clothing. Put on a helmet. Turn your heater on high. Then drive around a culdisac (spelling) as fast as you can for 3 hours. Oh, and try not to hit anything.
Racing takes endurence, stamina, patients, and skill. These people are driving often times 190 MPH inches away from walls and other drivers going the same speed.
Any questions?
 
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Originally posted by Joe Pluta:
He's kind of like Michael Jordan. He was really good in the beginning, but now, everyone else is just as good, if not better.
HUH?
The man managed to lead a team of unremarkable talent (with the exception of Scottie Pippen and perhaps The Dennis) to six championships in eight years, without ever having a legitimate center! AFAIK, he is the only player (except Shaq, once I think) to gain a championship ring while leading the league in scoring.
He played nearly every game in every season but two, and averaged over 38 minutes a game. He was named the MVP of the league AND the Defensive player of the year in the same season. People don't realize this, but along with 10 selections to the All-NBA team, he was also named to the All-NBA DEFENSIVE team nine times. Over 2000 career steals is a pretty impressive figure.
You can say a lot of things about Michael, but to say he shot his wad early is a pretty questionable summary of the facts. Here's a really interesting point: Michael had five MVPs (same as Wilt, Kareem and Bill Russell). But the span between his first and last was EIGHT YEARS. The only person in history to have two MVPs farther apart was Kareem. That's a testament to staying power.
And with all that, he STILL hasn't been charged with a felony (although they might have considered fraud charges for his baseball "career" ). His swan song with the Wizards was not the smartest move, but you can't begrudge a man for trying, and it certainly doesn't tarnish perhaps the most spectacular career in the game.
And as far as I can see, nobody is currently at the same level as Michael was at his prime (which was pretty much most of the 90's). That's especially true when you consider what is arguably the most important statistic: rings. The new crop has talent, and some of them may even have the work ethic. We'll see. I like the kid, James. But until one of the new kids racks up a few MVPs and a couple of rings, I'm not pushing Number 23 out of the top spot.
Joe


I didn't mean to imply that MJ was finished early. I stated it bad. The relationship between MJ and Gordon is more simply that there are players, IMHO, that are just as good as Jordon was. But now there are so many of them, you can't tell. No one stands out. As with Gordon, he came into Nascar in a time between when the greats were retiring and the next generation was getting started. He started out strong, but now, everyone's talent has caught up with him. So he is no longer special.
 
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Is that why Brooke dumped him?
 
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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:

I once heard this analogy...
Get in your car on some sunny 105 degree day. Dress from head to toe 2 layers of clothing. Put on a helmet. Turn your heater on high. Then drive around a culdisac (spelling) as fast as you can for 3 hours. Oh, and try not to hit anything.
Racing takes endurence, stamina, patients, and skill. These people are driving often times 190 MPH inches away from walls and other drivers going the same speed.
Any questions?



Try not to hit anything? If you ain't rubbin, you ain't racin. Bristol has to be one of the more interesting NASCAR races.
 
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Originally posted by Paul Stevens:


Try not to hit anything? If you ain't rubbin, you ain't racin. Bristol has to be one of the more interesting NASCAR races.


I love Bristol. It's may favorite track to watch. Especially at night. I wish I could go sometime. A few years ago, it was easy to get tickets. Now everyone wants to go to Bristol and they are really hard to come by. If you do find some, they want a lot of $$$$$$$$$$$.
 
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Nothing beats Saturday night short track racing!!
I hope to go to Richmond in the next few years. My parents live less than an hour away, so I can disguise it as a visit.
 
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I went to the Brickyard a couple years ago. It was 98 and very humid.
 
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I've only been to Pocono (July 96) and it was hot. Well, one Saturday night I went to Wall Stadium, whose past includes drivers such as Ray Evernham and Martin Truex, Jr. The Featherlite Modifieds and Busch North are both coming there this year, so I hope to go see them.
 
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I went to Talledaga (spelling?) a few years back. Marlin was driving for Kodak then. He started the pole and won the race. I had a blast. I live in Wichita KS, so someday I will make it to our track in KC. But that track isn't producing really good racing yet.
 
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Well Gregg, you called it right Kenseth winning, and Jr. having a bad day. But how 'bout that Kasey Kahne? He's been in three cup races and has come in second twice. If it weren't for Kenseth, he'd have a 66.7 winning percentage. I'm kind of happy with RUSTY'S 10th place finish. That is about where he ran all day, although it seemed he always fell back a bit after pit stops.
 
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Originally posted by Mike Rutgers:
Well Gregg, you called it right Kenseth winning, and Jr. having a bad day. But how 'bout that Kasey Kahne? He's been in three cup races and has come in second twice. If it weren't for Kenseth, he'd have a 66.7 winning percentage. I'm kind of happy with RUSTY'S 10th place finish. That is about where he ran all day, although it seemed he always fell back a bit after pit stops.


Yeah, not a very exciting race though. There are really only 3 people I hate to see win. Gordon, Stewart, and Bush.
Kasey Kahne is doing well! He seems like an alright guy too. Another guy asked him why he didn't bump Kenseth 2 weeks ago and Kasey said he knows he has to earn respect and that's not the way you do it. You have to respect that.
Jr, Jr, Jr...His car just scuked. That probably won't be the last time either. But he's good enough, he can make up for it in the next few races. Hopefully.
 
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Jr, Jr, Jr...His car just scuked.


Actually, his car wasn't even that good! LOL.
Busch also annoys me. Who else could make Jimmy Spencer the most popular driver in NASCAR for a week?
Kahne seems to be following in the footsteps of Jimmy Johnson and Jamie McMurray--they each had so-so Busch careers (Jamie seemed to greatly improve in '02 after Ganassi signed him) and they've excelled in Cup. Must be a combination of equipment really matters and some owners can spot talent, even if that talent is in so-so equipment.
 
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Taking over the 9 car, he has some shoes to fill. But, taking over the 9 car, it's an established car. It would be interesting to see how well Kasey did if he was in a new car.
 
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He definitely has some advantages, with an established crew, but new crew chief, as Mike Ford went to the #88 team (with a name like that, he couldn't stick with Dodges too long), and Bill Elliott as a coach, but he still has to get it to go the 500 miles. Put me in that car, and I wouldn't do that well--I'd probably turn the wrong way off pit row.
 
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Originally posted by Mike Rutgers:
He definitely has some advantages, with an established crew, but new crew chief, as Mike Ford went to the #88 team (with a name like that, he couldn't stick with Dodges too long), and Bill Elliott as a coach, but he still has to get it to go the 500 miles. Put me in that car, and I wouldn't do that well--I'd probably turn the wrong way off pit row.


Yeah, me too. Some people just don't understand the skill it takes to control 900 horses on 4 wheels.
 
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But I bet Kasey would use "==" to compare String objects!!
 
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You know, they put those soft walls in at Darlington. I would imagine that took away the outside groove. It will be interesting to see where they race around that track now that it's gone.
 
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I heard some complaints about that - I think from Mark Martin - NASCAR.com
Darlington is a unique track.
 
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