-Mumbai cha Bhau
Originally posted by Warren Dew:
R K Singh:
I still have to find an immigrant family whose second generation is not localized. :roll:
It does happen. Generally, it happens when the first generation immigrants don't see a big advantage to having their children learn the local language; if the kids just learn their parents' language, they won't be able to communicate as well with the longer term natives, which will make it difficult for them to fully integrate socially.
I'm generally in favor of more open immigration to the U.S., but I think the current trend towards providing government services and education in immigrants' native languages is dangerous. It could well prevent successful integration of the large number of recent immigrants in the U.S., resulting in major social strife down the road. I'd rather see the extra educational funds spent on supplementary English classes for those who need it.
Originally posted by Bhau Mhatre:
Jayesh Lalwani: Bombay is not the only city that has an influx of people. Look at NY, LA and DC.
Are you claiming that people from Texas, Kansas, Ohio, Missouri, and other states, immigrate into NYC and form ghettos, at the same rate as people from UP, Bihar, Rajeshthan, Gujarat, West-Bengal, AP, Tamil Nadu, etc. enter into Mumbai?
Jayesh Lalwani: They are handling the problem quite well
Which problem are they handling and how?
What's the point you are trying to make?
a) Bombay's municipal administration is unable to perform as good as that of NYC?
I agree, whole heartedly.
b) Failing education system is the reason behind growing slums/ghettos in Bombay?
Disagree. Strongly.
[ December 15, 2004: Message edited by: Bhau Mhatre ]
Originally posted by Bhau Mhatre:
Jayesh Lalwani: Bombay is not the only city that has an influx of people. Look at NY, LA and DC.
Bhau Mhatre : Are you claiming that people from Texas, Kansas, Ohio, Missouri, and other states, immigrate into NYC and form ghettos, at the same rate as people from UP, Bihar, Rajeshthan, Gujarat, West-Bengal, AP, Tamil Nadu, etc. enter into Mumbai?
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
Originally posted by Jayesh Lalwani:
I'm talking about the "ghetto" problem, not localization of immigrants. Those are 2 seperate things. Bombay is probably the best example you could have given to illustrate my point. Taking the example of Bombay, Bombay is littered with slums, where people dont even have proper sanitation facilities. This is because there are too many people moving into Bombay. Bombay's ghettoes are growing everyday because of
a) the number of people moving into Bombay and
b) the failing education system in Bombay that fails to provide education where it's most required.
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
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Originally posted by Helen Thomas:
Jim, I think he meant localised in the sense of being integrated into the local community.
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Originally posted by Arjun Shastry:
Ravish,were you there during 1992-1993 in Mumbai?
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
Originally posted by Warren Dew:
It wouldn't be so easy to consult with someone from Baghdad if you had no language in common with them, which is the situation I'm talking about.
Originally posted by Bhau Mhatre:
Are you claiming that people from Texas, Kansas, Ohio, Missouri, and other states, immigrate into NYC and form ghettos, at the same rate as people from UP, Bihar, Rajeshthan, Gujarat, West-Bengal, AP, Tamil Nadu, etc. enter into Mumbai?
Originally posted by Arjun Shastry:
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Before any permits are given for offices/factories, enough space and resources are marked for houses, schools, roads, shopping malls, etc,etc. I'm not saying that those cities are perfect. But, there is a differrence between problems arising because of controlled growth and problems arising out of uncontrolled growth. Bombay has a problem of uncontrolled growth
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Thats the problem.If you remember,9 years back,the then state government was thinking about giving a restricted entry to people using permit/visa etc entering Mumbai.But there was a hue and cry.Social workers,citizens started showing Article xyz of constitution which allows every citizan to go anywhere in a country without anybody's permission.So the plan was cancelled.
Now imagine ,permit system becomes reality.Company abc wants to hire person who is in Assam.He is definetely interested in joining but Muncipal corporation says,there is no enough space to live?Whats the solution?He may argue that that corporation is allowing many people to live illegally in slums but not allowing me who will work legally and pay the taxes.
Originally posted by Jayesh Lalwani:
But, at one point, we have to ask ourselves whether it is worth having people live in sub-human conditions?
"Thanks to Indian media who has over the period of time swiped out intellectual taste from mass Indian population." - Chetan Parekh
-Mumbai cha Bhau
Originally posted by Bhau Mhatre:
[b]Jayesh Lalwani: The way it works in US is ... I have lived 23 years in Bombay, and 6 in US, and ...
So who's to be blamed? What's the solution now?
And what's the answer to Wallace's confusion?
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