Originally posted by Arvind Birla:
I' not even getting into their innovativeness here with regards to GUI, TCP/IP etc.
I'm convinced had it not been for Microsoft, the internet wouldn't even exist as we know it today.
Originally posted by Arvind Birla:
I' not even getting into their innovativeness here with regards to GUI, TCP/IP etc. I'm convinced had it not been for Microsoft, the internet wouldn't even exist as we know it today.
Originally posted by Cameron Wallace McKenzie:
... and would love to see Linux dominate, but until Linux can be used by my Mom without a problem
Originally posted by Arvind Birla:
had it not been for Microsoft, the internet wouldn't even exist as we know it today.
Originally posted by fred rosenberger:
MS has also been known to push the competition aside. For a while, when you bought a PC, Microsoft messenger came pre-installed. Microsoft forced other IM services, such as Yahoo's or AOL's, to pay Microsoft a FEE to have their IM client pre-installed on the desktop.
[ June 05, 2008: Message edited by: fred rosenberger ]
Originally posted by Arvind Birla:
...Windows? It bought down the cost of ownership of a PC manifold. It made it accessible to the masses. Something all OS vendors failed in doing. Just the tech centric ecosystem put in place by Microsoft may have raised entire nations out of poverty. I' not even getting into their innovativeness here with regards to GUI, TCP/IP etc. I'm convinced had it not been for Microsoft, the internet wouldn't even exist as we know it today.
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Originally posted by fred rosenberger:
you are probably correct. but how do you know that it wouldn't be BETTER without Microsoft?
Originally posted by Devesh H Rao:
if the others were so against MS why the %*#$ did they let MS get the market share in the first place.
Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
For years, Microsoft fought the Internet. Luckily, it had little effect.
[ June 05, 2008: Message edited by: Bear Bibeault ]
Originally posted by Devesh H Rao:
MS gets the flack for security issues
It bought down the cost of ownership of a PC manifold.
Originally posted by Devesh H Rao:
fred, would you also be able to say with the same amount of conviction that anyone who beat MS in the game in the 90's would not have been equally monopolistic.
Does it not speak for the agility of MS to play catch up, from playing the devil's advocate to again being at the forefront deserves credit
and i guess you cannot deny MS the tenacity to stay at the top of the game even after being the most hated corporation from the super geeks.
Originally posted by Satish Chilukuri:
Had there not been a MS monopoly, there would have been a good chance for Linux to become a strong contender in the home computing market.
When MS came into picture, the super geeks were rooting for it. It was the underdog and IBM was the 800 pound gorilla.
Originally posted by Raghunandan Mamidala:
Others have not been able to come up with a simple user freindly and scalable OS.
Originally posted by Jelle Klap:
Mac usersPeople with a broad knowledge of operating systems
A Mercedes vs. Hyundai argument
I miss your point. Linux is free, and OS X is cheaper than Windows. (And don't even try to bring up the "Macs are too expensive' fallacy).Originally posted by Nickolas Case:
70-80% of the population can only afford Hyundai's...
The cost of the PC. Again, what's your point?Originally posted by Nickolas Case:
Yet what would it cost to get a PC with unix on it?
See earlier in this thread regarding underhanded business practices.Originally posted by Nickolas Case:
I think it is all about perception. I just shopped for PC's with unix on it.
Again this is where your analogy is breaking down unless you think Mercedes are less expensive than Hyundais.A Mercedes is a world renowned auto thus known to be worth the extra price.
Originally posted by Nickolas Case:
cost to get a PC with unix on it?
Originally posted by Ulf Dittmer:
TCP/IP has Unix roots, and the WWW was developed on Unix.
the WWW was developed on Unix.
Originally posted by Nickolas Case:
A Mercedes is a world renowned auto thus known to be worth the extra price.
Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
Again this is where your analogy is breaking down unless you think Mercedes are less expensive than Hyundais.
Originally posted by Nickolas Case:
Is exactly all this is. Of course there are better "Mercedes" OS's out there. But roughly (read: complete guess) 70-80% of the population can only afford Hyundai's...
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Your analogy would only work if Mercedes were more expensive than Hyundais.Originally posted by Nickolas Case:
I am not sure what you mean by this? I concede the analogy was a bad one in hindsight ...
But the discussion is not primarily about PCs, but about Windows -- which is the most expensive of the consumer systems. Even more so if you count TCO.In any case, affordability and availability do have an impact on pc purchasing though
Ubuntu/Linux is just a download away. And if you want the most usable and consumer friendly unix implementation ever, Macs are available anywhere apple.com or amazon.com deliver.Would you search far and wide...
Again, the discussion is about Windows, not PC hardware.Many OS's are free but the price of the PC is no less cheaper with the free OS's
Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
(And don't even try to bring up the "Macs are too expensive' fallacy).
Originally posted by Cameron Wallace McKenzie:
... Apple has always prided themselves on charging as much as they could...
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Originally posted by marc weber:
What's your basis for that?
Originally posted by Nickolas Case:[QB]Many OS's are free but the price of the PC is no less cheaper with the free OS's
Yes, a german car is used as a german taxi. And corect me if I am wrong, but they don't have heated leather seats, GPS nav's and the other bells and whistles they are known for here in the States. Or do they?
No. Inept management and an antiquated OS almost sealed Apple's fate in the 90's. Now that both of those situations are well behind, Apple is doing just fine. More than fine.Originally posted by Cameron Wallace McKenzie:
Wasn't it the availability of cheap PC knockoffs with an inexpensive Windows OS that was practically the death of Macs...
Just because you were able to bilk customers doesn't make TCO an invalid concept.Total cost of ownership (TCO) always makes me laugh.
Just saying it doesn't make it true. And just because Apple doesn't make a cheap-as-dirt disposble PC doesn't make their lineup overpriced. Many price comparisons have concluded, especially at the higher end, that Macs fare very favorably, even surpass, comparable machines from Dell and the like when a fair comparison is made.Apple has always prided themselves on charging as much as they could for their 'superior' product
Originally posted by Bear Bibeault:
No. Inept management and an antiquated OS almost sealed Apple's fate in the 90's
Exactly. Up until the advent of the iMac and OS X put Apple back on the map, I had been convinced that Apple was in a death spiral that they could not possibly pull themselves out of.Originally posted by Pat Farrell:
Absolutely. They had no clue what they were selling. No idea what the "brand" meant.
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