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My son knows a bit about the Permian-Triassic extinction event (he's one of the people whose work is referenced by the Wikipedia page). He's also one of those first-world people who is deliberately cutting back on their greenhouse gas production. I'm pretty sure there's a connection between those two things.
 
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Why do not you ask your son, what would be worse, the Permian-Triassic extinction event or burning all the coal? I am pretty sure it is still the first.

Hey, I have got an energy bill of 80 euro a month (mainly delivery costs, not usage) and I commute using my bicycle for 3 hours a day, I have a pretty low CO2 profile myself. My usage is that low my energy provider did not believe me when I sent them the meter readings. I dare anyone on the ranch to beat that.
 
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Just a small addition, if you wonder why I myself try to have a low usage of fossil fuels, it is not mainly because of the greenhouse effect. I do believe there is some greenhouse effect, but the effect won't be as dramatic as some think. The main reason I use as less energy as possible, and support renewable energy, but also nuclear energy, is the political influence of the countries with large reserves of oil. The less energy I use, the less money conservative currents in e.g. Saudi Arabia have to support jihadist preaching in sponsored mosques in my country.
 
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Jan de Boer wrote:Why do not you ask your son, what would be worse, the Permian-Triassic extinction event or burning all the coal? I am pretty sure it is still the first.



That's a false comparison, though. You remember the Year 2000 problem, right? There were people running around saying it would be the end of the world. But of course it wasn't the end of the world, we programmers got to work and fixed all of the millions of programs and applications which needed fixing.
But "Not the end of the world" isn't something to be readily accepted. You remember the Black Death of the 15th century? (No, you weren't around for that one, I know.) One third of the people of Europe died, but it wasn't the end of the world. Not the end of the world -- so it's not a problem, right? Well, no, if one third of Europe's population died this year then nobody would accept "But it's not the end of the world" as a reasonable response.

My point? If A is bad and B is not as bad as A, it doesn't follow that B isn't bad.
 
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No, even then. I do not think climate change has to be a bad event. We can now grow grape vines in the Netherlands! The only thing is the speed of change. If it goes too rapidly, you have to move and shift a lot of things, like dikes, roads, harbours. That will be an effort. But for the whole planet it does not necessarily have to be a bad thing. E.g. while agricultural land is lost in Australia, parts of Siberia can become more productive. Also remember all the CO2 in fossil fuel once was in the air, since it is originated from old natural material like plants and see life. I am not saying it is absolutely nothing to worry about, just not the apocalypse some people think it is.

Furthermore I still think I have to lowest 'CO2 profile' on Coderanch! Although the greenhouse effect is not my main motivation in this, like said. Anyone think he or she can beat me :-)  
 
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Jan de Boer wrote:E.g. while agricultural land is lost in Australia, parts of Siberia can become more productive.


And you think the world as a whole works so great together that all these changes will cancel each other out with no problems for all that now lives on earth? Or would a reduction of, say, 30% of all lifeforms be acceptable to you?

Also remember all the CO2 in fossil fuel once was in the air


Yep, at a time when just about none of the lifeforms currently inhabiting this planet were in existence.

Furthermore I still think I have to lowest 'CO2 profile' on Coderanch!


Can you give us any clues how you came to this conclusion?
 
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Tim Moores wrote:Can you give us any clues how you came to this conclusion?



Okay. You try to beat me at it? It just a joke. But I came to this (not really a 'conclusion' by the way) hearing some liberal friend saying that every body should use their car less, apart from him, because he had an important job. Just like the elite again. Virtue signaling but the consequences are for the working class. My impression is, yes, many say 'salon socialist' people could be here also. So again, I am commuting on my bicycle for three hours a day, and my total energy costs, in a not that warm country are, gas and electricity 80 euro a month. Are you doing more? Then I would be glad to hear it. Natural gas is used for cooking and heating in the Netherlands.
 
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How many people are there in your household?
 
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Tim Moores wrote:Or would a reduction of, say, 30% of all lifeforms be acceptable to you?



Actually the result of the P-T extinction was that 95% of the world's species became extinct. But as Jan points out, so far we don't know whether the current mass extinction is going to be that bad.
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:How many people are there in your household?




Yes, there is only me, most often. And the cycling works double. Or triple. I save gas used for a motor vehicle. I come home quite late, so the heating is not used. And when I am home, I am already somewhat used to the cold and in warm underwear, so I do not even feel the cold. For example it was 15 Celsius yesterday, nevertheless I did not turned on the heating, still. Other crazy things I do is, in January when it is freezing I put a little water bucket outside. In the morning I have ice, and I put that in my fridge and pull the plug out. Nevertheless, let just not fight, and give each other tips to save energy.  Last summer I tried to make a system to generate warm water to shower. There are these expensive systems you can buy, but I tried to do it myself with a garden hose. It was not much of a success. The thing is, I got the warm water in the evening. But I shower in the morning. So when I used the heated water it was like 20-25 Celsius again. Not cold but not really warm either. I am also thinking about solar cells on the balcony, but these are really expensive.
 
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Jan de Boer wrote:. . . Yes, there is only me, . . . .

In which case your gas and electricity bill, per capita, is greater than mine.
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:

Jan de Boer wrote:Yes, there is only me

In which case your gas and electricity bill, per capita, is greater than mine.



Okay Campbell but I actually doubt if our energy prices are equal, so it is difficult to compare. And it includes connect and delivery costs that are relatively high for a one person house hold. We should rather compare kWh. But it should be really low because they sent the police after me, checking if I was not fixing and wiring the meter and cables and growing weed in a spare room. Seriously the latter is no joke! It happened to me.
 
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Paul Clapham wrote:Actually the result of the P-T extinction was that 95% of the world's species became extinct. But as Jan points out, so far we don't know whether the current mass extinction is going to be that bad.



Apart from that I just sympathize more with the humanoid life forms in the rust belt e.g. than with the fluffy polar bears. Although the first are always not very gracefully depicted by the media, and are looked down upon by the liberal politicians. Politics is all about making choices.
 
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