A former India-Today editor comments..

[Paul McKenna]

These are a few excerpts from today's op-ed piece in the Wall Street Journal

Over the past six years, India has tried to dance to a different tune. The Vajpayee government encouraged modernity and entrepreneurship, and boosted the self-confidence of a growing middle class. It tried to turn the country away from a Third World trajectory, from the sloth and mediocrity of the past, into a new India that is so feared by protectionists in the U.S. and Europe. Well, those protectionists can breathe a little easier now. India's ancient regime has struck back with a vengeance.

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With the Congress dependent on its 60 legislators for a majority, the two Communist parties are expected to put their regressive stamp on economic policy. Even before the celebrations were over, leftists called for an end to the privatization of the public sector, the abolition of the Disinvestment Ministry and a review of the reforms program. Regardless of whether or not the left joins in government, it will leave its antediluvian mark on the policies of the new regime.

An already jittery stock market panicked. On Friday, the Bombay Sensex fell 6% in one day and wiped out $22 billion of investors' wealth. Since the specter of political uncertainty and a possible defeat for Mr. Vajpayee first appeared on the horizon, the Sensex has fallen from 5712 on April 27 to 5069 on May 14. Foreign institutional investors have pulled out millions of rupees from the markets since the election results.

[Pradeep bhatt]

Paul,

Thanks for the info. It is all over, Sonia will be our PM.

[Kishore Dandu]

According to Rediff.com:
Communist parties are offered Deputy PM & Home ministry position.

A month ago I was thinking I probably made a mistake by sticking around in US. Now it feels to be a safebet. Sonia might say we will not slow the progress of the country etc, but there is always space for lipservice from the indian politicians.

News from AP is that askig price for few new face ministies is around 15mil rupees(ie after seniors in the party are given main portfolios).
It is money making time for YSR.........

Mera USA mahaan

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[Pradeep bhatt]

Deputy CM or is it deputy PM?

Time to I guess

I am also feeling sleepy even it is morning.

[Pradeep bhatt]

http://sify.com/news/othernews/fullstory.php?id=13476325

[Remo Fernandez]

The economic policies are introduced by Dr Manmohan sindh.and BJP just followed it.they could'nt able to follow it wisely.so it made only a devide in indian community.and people mandate clearly shows that they dont want this kind of economic reforms which is only good for a creamylayer.

And people defenitely fed up with BJP's communaly devide and rule policy.they understood the deception now.and rhe mandate also for a secular india.in which people are not isolated by caste and religeon.

It's understandeable that the people mandate will be ittitateble(we see the irritation in MD also) for the people dreams about good old uppercaste supreamacy and comfort.now people realised the communalisation drama and reacted as votes.

[Pradeep bhatt]

And people defenitely fed up with BJP's communaly devide and rule policy

There was very little communal viloence in India during NDA rule. Gujarat was bad so was sikh riots during Coingress rule.

For congress , secularism means minority votes.

[Pradeep bhatt]

The economic policies are introduced by Dr Manmohan sindh.and BJP just followed it.they could'nt able to follow it wisely.so it made only a devide in indian community.and people mandate clearly shows that they dont want this kind of economic reforms which is only good for a creamylayer.

Congress was kicked out of power in 1996 for their economic policies.

[Remo Fernandez]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


There was very little communal viloence in India during NDA rule. Gujarat was bad so was sikh riots during Coingress rule.

For congress , secularism means minority votes.

I can see your irritation.but there is no need to tell you also that what tactics BJP used to get power in a small period of time.They made the all communal riots and all people knows that.How much BJP can decieve indian people?.Telling lies is not a remedy for getting out from irritation.You are awarded for your policies and people will continue it.all people from all community wanna live peacefully india.And india does'nt wanna go dark for somebody's greed for power and comfort.

[Mapraputa Is]

This thread grows lake a bamboo!

Friends, if you want non-Indians to follow it, maybe somebody could summarize shortly the meaning of the event. It's not quite clear for me, and probably for other too.

[Pradeep bhatt]

I can see your irritation.but there is no need to tell you also that what tactics BJP used to get power in a small period of time.They

Irritation?


No personal attacks. I never do that. Please be nice.




Many died during sikh riots conducted by Congress and they came to power in 1984.


[ May 16, 2004: Message edited by: Pradeep Bhat ]

[Pradeep bhatt]

I dont know if any congress leader has been punished for sikh riots. Do you know any?

[Remo Fernandez]

India is a country that lot of communities and castes living.There maybe small probloms we can indicate for decieving.But a party who's basic agenda is communal riots and devide and rule is BJP only.People lived in harmoney before.who injected the communal viruses and devide?.And no other time in india people were so isolated by communal basis.everywhere it's seeing.minds are apart.No other party followed these kind of evil policy to gain power.And people like peace and happiness.that's the results we see in election.

[Pradeep bhatt]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:
This thread grows lake a bamboo!

Friends, if you want non-Indians to follow it, maybe somebody could summarize shortly the meaning of the event. It's not quite clear for me, and probably for other too.

Mapraputa,

We have a new party in power. The thread was started by Paul to discuss the economic fall out of change in the government. The stock markets have crashed because of the *likely* change in economic policies.

I feel that thread should be closely monitored by moderators to avoid personal attacks.

[Remo Fernandez]

According to BJP's communal riots plan,i remember a thing happened in Kerala.

There is a small communal tension in Marad.Calicut.Kerala.

Two gangs of fishermans from 2 communites have some internal disputes and finally killed some members each other.and the ruling party(Congress) took it very calmly and efficiently becoz it's a dangerous issue becoz members of two communites living in Kerala everywhere.

BJP dont have much base in Kerala.Keralites are very wise people and does'nt gave BJP even an assembly constituency.BJP cant get any seats from kerala yet even after they tried all the deceptive and communal tactics.

And what BJP did there in Marad?.

They fixed communaly dividing posters and speeches everywhere to gain something from this event.and even they did a Yathra(journey) in kerala from one end to other end by carrying the ashes of people died.And throughout the journey they spoke all the communal viruses everywhere.Togadia(Hindu fundamentalist and extreamist) come to Marad.and spoke very violantly.all these efforts done for expanding the riots througout Kerala.But it's gone vein.Becoz kerala people is too wise for them.I am quite sure if Marad happen in any other state,BJP will be quite suceessfull to make it as a statewide communal riot and kill a minimum of 1000 people and will gain more voted from one side.

And this is a small incident.nobody knows it outside Kerala.And this is happening in all India.a small problom between two people is required to BJP to make a big riot and big votes.
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[Pradeep bhatt]

Congress

1. Allowed the demolition of Babri Masjid, did nothing even though was in power at center. This implies they wanted the demolition to happen to isolate BJP.

2. Laid the foundation of Ram Temple (Thanks to Rajiv Ghandhi ). Why was required?

3. Is in alliance with Muslim League a communal party.

4. Congress CM from Kerala said that minorities are getting more than want they need (.. or something similar).

[Remo Fernandez]

1. Allowed the demolition of Babri Masjid, did nothing even though was in power at center. This implies they wanted the demolition to happen to isolate BJP.

2. Laid the foundation of Ram Temple (Thanks to Rajiv Ghandhi ). Why was required?

Who demolished Babri masjid?.

Who Killed thousands of innocents by burning alive for the scandel of demolishing Babri masjid?.

[Pradeep bhatt]

Who demolished Babri masjid?.

What was PVN doing ? He did not act.
BJP and Congress are equally responsible. Nor BJP alone.

I dont think that a common man can feel secure with congress rule since Congress has killed many sikhs.

Communal violenece is very bad. It must be condemed unequivocally. Selective criticisim does not help.

Paul wants to discuss econmic issues not communal. Better start another thread for this discussion.
Thank you.

[Allama Iqbal]

Can somebody please delete these pictures or thread. They are very disturbing and provoking.

Thanks!!!

[Remo Fernandez]

Can somebody please delete these pictures or thread. They are very disturbing and provoking.

Truth is always disturbing for those who playing all deception and evil tactics.Devil fears light.They need darkness.

[Remo Fernandez]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:

What was PVN doing ? He did not act.
BJP and Congress are equally responsible. Nor BJP alone.

PVN knows the exact reason of babri masjid scandel.it's just power.and PVN thought that this blood thirsty BJP did'nt get much reason for bloodshitting minorities after babri masjid.but they are finding more reasons for blood like marad.They know that minority blood is the best way to power.

[Pradeep bhatt]

Sensex crashes 822 points; trading halted

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Congress was kicked out of power in 1996 for their economic policies.

I wish you were correct.

If that was the reason then why BJP choose to continue with their economic policies ???

[Bhushan Jawle]

http://us.rediff.com/money/2004/may/15spec.htm

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by Paul McKenna:
Even before the celebrations were over, leftists called for an end to the privatization of the public sector, the abolition of the Disinvestment Ministry and a review of the reforms program.

Correct me if I am wrong, Manmohan Singh clearly said that Congress will continue its eco policies and Disinvestment ministry will also exist as it was at the time of BJP.

The problem with [ex]pro-BJPs (who were pro-BJP because of its alliance with RSS/VHP and because of Mandir issue) is that they find themselves in mid chaos. They dont know what to do. They fail to realize that Mandir issue was to use them. And now when they realize that they were being used, they dont understand what to do. They do not want to accept that they were used.(because they think that they are intellectuals and cant be manipulated for political purpose.)

Is there anyone, who can tell me any policy of BJP led govt that did anything for India.

The only good thing they did that they did not abolish the Congress Policies.

Any pro-BJP, please stand up and tell me about any policy of BJP that added some value to India.

[Pradeep bhatt]

Correct me if I am wrong, Manmohan Singh clearly said that Congress will continue its eco policies and Disinvestment ministry will also exist as it was at the time of BJP.

Manmohan is controlled by left parties. He can't take decisions on his own. Left parties have made their stand clear. Much depends on CMP which comes out.



Left parties won't join government, indicates they will control economic policies.


They should join the government, otherwise it will be less stable.
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[Sameer Jamal]

Pradeep if Cong was kicked out of power in 96 due to their economic policies I think same has happened to NDA in this election because of their stock market oriented economic policies. Same has happened with Naidu also because he has given to much stress to a particular segment and particular region of his state. If you are angry with congress because you lost a lot of money in stock market then consider those people who were suciding because of their poor economic condition and these people contributes more than 75% of our population whose income is less than Rs 3000/month. So I think NDA lost just because of their pro stock market and anti common man economic policies.

[Pradeep bhatt]

YSR is going to give free power to farmers. I dunno who is going to pay ?
Akali Dal had also promised the same years back.

Hope the rainfall will be good this year. :roll:

[Pradeep bhatt]

So I think NDA lost just because of their pro stock market and anti common man economic policies.

It is quite possible that farmers were not happy. If I am not wrong BJP did well in rural areas and not in Urban (e.g. Mumbai).
Sameer, I never said that Government should not work for farmers. Can you tell me where I said that?
:roll:
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[Pradeep bhatt]

Looks like CPI may join the government.

[Murasoli Maran]

This sensex should crash.

It's the sensex which did nothing to poor and common man.This sensex only made more divide among people.It's the sensex that hav anything to play other than creamylayer.so people voted.while implementing DR Manmohan Singh policies they forgot implement it correctly as MM visualised.BJP made it worse.

Afterall sensex is not a replacement to the riots and blood and suffering and division by caste and religeon.

[R K Singh]

Originally posted by R K Singh:

Any pro-BJP, please stand up and tell me about any policy of BJP that added some value to India.

[Mani Ram]

Originally posted by Mapraputa Is:

Friends, if you want non-Indians to follow it, maybe somebody could summarize shortly the meaning of the event. It's not quite clear for me, and probably for other too.

I'm not sure which event you are interested in particular, but if it is something related to the pictures posted above, here is the summary

[Pradeep bhatt]

Originally posted by Murasoli Maran:
This sensex should crash.

Manmohan just said that investors need not worry. That is good.
Murasoli Maran, you remind me of ex union minister.

[Pradeep bhatt]

Mani,

what is Quaerendo Invenietis ?

[Murasoli Maran]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


Manmohan just said that investors need not worry. That is good.
Murasoli Maran, you remind me of ex union minister.

Manmohan Singh's sensex did'nt crash as this sensex.That'll be more mature.becoz that'll have good roots.that'll not a sensex made up of selling public companies.

[Pradeep bhatt]

It's the sensex which did nothing to poor and common man

Yes you are right. Even IT industry has created a divide. Do you agree ?

[Sameer Jamal]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
YSR is going to give free power to farmers. I dunno who is going to pay ?
Akali Dal had also promised the same years back.

Hope the rainfall will be good this year. :roll:

Free power to farmer is just a political stunt YSR is playing it is not fesable at all in long terms.

The bottom line is that whether you favour BJP, CONG or CPM you must not have a bilnd faith on any party.

Even though I am supporter of CPM does not mean that I must support all their policies. CPM has very good policies for farmers and land reforms their land reform policies in WB are the best in the country but again they fail on the issue of privatisation.

[Sameer Jamal]

Originally posted by R K Singh:


Is there anyone, who can tell me any policy of BJP led govt that did anything for India.

If you are talking abt economic policies then I agree with you, but BJP foreign policy was far better than that of CONG.

[Murasoli Maran]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:


Yes you are right. Even IT industry has created a divide. Do you agree ?

No.It's the lack of vision of the sangh leadership.The leadership should use the benefits of globalisation collectively.leadership forgot everything by seeing india gaining in IT.The govt should also parellely focus on agricuture and industrial side also.and collectively use the reforms for farmers.they are the basic factor.then there will not be suisides of farmers.then there will not be any divide.the farmers are really desperate under sangh rule.And it's purely lack of vision.