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when you go out to dine ,the food or the service ?
And are you secretly checking that you are paying not much over 3 times the cost of the ingredients ?
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Originally posted by Helen Thomas:
when you go out to dine ,the food or the service ?
And are you secretly checking that you are paying not much over 3 times the cost of the ingredients ?



first surrounding, cutlery, interior etc to be worth what I am paying, then service and then food if I am going first time to that restaurant.

If food is good enough to neglect other factors then for food only.

BTW suddenly why this behavior question ??
 
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Originally posted by R K Singh:
BTW suddenly why this behavior question ??



There's a noticeable lack of fine restaurants in busy towns in the UK.
Getting to a good restaurant takes some planning and a bit of a drive.

So after that, what sort of service should you expect ? You had to make the biggest effort to get there. No public transport in the vicinity of the restaurant.

Ot to turn the question around , what should a restaurateur think of to attract customers to his/her hidey-hole?
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Originally posted by R K Singh:
first surrounding, cutlery, interior etc to be worth what I am paying



If these are important criteria, then you are likely missing out on some great food. Some of the best food I've had has been served in places that looked like total dives.
 
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Originally posted by Helen Thomas:
when you go out to dine ,the food or the service ?
And are you secretly checking that you are paying not much over 3 times the cost of the ingredients ?



No, I am secretly checking that it isn't more than twice the cost of a meal at McDonalds.
 
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McDonalds and McDonald-like : By the time you've had a couple of starters and a mix of main meals the price rapidly shoots up.


How much time should your diners be allowed and what should they be thinking of in that time ? your genius, your food, your vintage wines / beers.

Note you wouldn't find Chicken soup on your menu but some atrocious things you did to that chicken in the name of culinary art.

Chicken slowly stewed in it's own juice and white wine strewn with parsley , buried in a clay oven for half hour and had a mad Frenchman had a go at it with two forks.

Or something similar..
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Besides, there has to be an age when one can feel free to let go of McDonalds. Those arches stop being a reminder of teenage love.
 
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:


If these are important criteria, then you are likely missing out on some great food. Some of the best food I've had has been served in places that looked like total dives.



Me too. The diviest has to be the Morrocon in Alexandria where soot from decades of cooking if not centuries caked the walls. Having very poor light coming from the open window the restaurant was in almost total darkness. Whatever the food was or how it even looked like remains a mystery but it was absolutely divine. Only the taste buds and smell senses were required.
 
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1) Food (very important)
2) Service (almost as important)
3) Atmosphere (only important if negative, otherwise I don't care)

Basically, if the place is "nice" that's fine. The food better be good and the service, at least acceptable.

We went to a restaurant one time that outstanding atmosphere. All kinds of interesting items, very nice all the way around. The service was very good but the food was nothing to get excited about... just ordinary, and it was a bit pricey. We never went back and the last time I went by it was out of business.
 
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Jason Menard:

If these are important criteria, then you are likely missing out on some great food. Some of the best food I've had has been served in places that looked like total dives.

Of course, some of us would rather miss out on great food than miss out on great conversation because the place is too noisy or uncomfortable to hear a word our friends were saying.

In answer to the original question, in a good restaurant, I notice the food more - by definition, since good food is noticeable while the best service is invisible. I remember the first time I experienced truly great service - at the end of the meal, I realized I had no memory of anything being brought to or taken away from the table, despite the fact that everything was available exactly when it was needed.
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The company I'm in.
 
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Hmm.. I cant realy follow you. Why would you go out to eat?

I mean, think about the time you use to get there, then wait for the food, then eat it, and finally you have to walk/drive back again.

Time that you could have used in front of your computer, programming!

I mean.. come on, what's wrong with you people?

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Originally posted by Marc Peabody:

No, I am secretly checking that it isn't more than twice the cost of a meal at McDonalds.



Its debatable as to if McDonalds can even be called "food". I would certainly pay more than twice the cost of a McDonalds meal if it meant upgrading from cardboard burgers to proper food

While I was at school I worked in well known burger chain, one that claimed to be the monarch of burgers, if you get what I mean. A manager there once told me that the food to put into the average burger costs them 7p. When costs such as rent and wages are added in, the burger costs them around 20-30p. This burger will then be sold for �3-4.
 
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The traditional pub is changing to becoming trendier.

The Horse and Groom is now The Horse
Cow and Bush is now the Cow and Cucumber
The George is now called the George Michael.

The olde names were for when people couldn't read they'd know the pub from the pictures.

Some restaurants believe in the philosophy behind the slow food movement.
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
If these are important criteria, then you are likely missing out on some great food. Some of the best food I've had has been served in places that looked like total dives.


Originally posted by Helen Thomas:
Me too.



opss.... you guys miss the second line

Originally posted by R K Singh:
If food is good enough to neglect other factors then for food only.[/QB]



AW I made point about ambience, cutlery, interior etc because if I am paying Rs. 2/- for a cup of tea then I expect it to be in dirty glass, on road side shop.

But if I am about to pay Rs. 50/- for a tea then I would like a silver spoon to stir the tea, I would expect table cloth over table, I will expect light music, I would expect a saucer to hold cup with golden line, I will expect sugar cubes/fine sugar instead of plain sugar.
And a waiter to pay attention to me always.

I want my food and ambience to be worth what I am paying.

AW one has to sacrifice something to get good tasty food. ANd most of the time its ambience and service. :roll:
 
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
If these are important criteria, then you are likely missing out on some great food. Some of the best food I've had has been served in places that looked like total dives.



One of my favorite places for breakfast is a little diner call "Stoney's". It's old and the linoleum is worn, the service is good and the steak and eggs is the best in town.

By contrast there is a trendy, expensive, pseudo-Italian place that is way to noisy and you have to listen to a minimum three bad renditions of "Happy Birthday" sung by the wait staff to other tables. (grrrr) I don't go there anymore.
 
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Originally posted by Helen Thomas:
Besides, there has to be an age when one can feel free to let go of McDonalds. Those arches stop being a reminder of teenage love.



Teenage love? Maybe for my parents.

It mostly reminds me of Happy Meal toys (especially when they did Legos in the mid-80s!).
 
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I had a Happy Meal for lunch recently. It was conveniently next to the service station.
It was fun putting the plastic water carriers on Eyeore and looking for figures on a piece of paper through red-coloured glass. For �1.99 not bad.The 4 chicken mcnuggets would be a �1 for the piece of chicken alone. The milkshake 50p. The tiny spud perhaps 10p.
Being served didn't leave any lasting memories.
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Sorry folks, Mickey D's is definitely a thing of the past for me. The only time I ever go there is when its the only option. To me all the food tastes the same... like the grease its cooked in.
 
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Originally posted by Ray Marsh:
To me all the food tastes the same... like the grease its cooked in.



Isn't that the reason for going to McDonalds? Mmmmm... grease.

Reminds me of the BIG N TASTY BURGER they introduced a few years back. The signs always looked like they read BIG NASTY BURGER at first glance!

Back to the topic, I'm not so sure about the 3x ingredient rule. It's not uncommon to pay 4 to 6 bucks for a plate of appetizer onion rings and that can't cost more than 50 cents to make. Then you've got 5 dollar beers at many places. The only cheapskate option is to stay home.


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I look at going out to dinner like vacations. I can't worry too much about the cost. If I do, I won't enjoy myself. I'd rather go out less often and go to places that I like a lot, even if they cost a bit more.

You're right about Mickey D's, its just I've out-grown the taste I guess. I used to like it, now its just emergancy food. I really don't care for it anymore.
 
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I forget who made this quote (Julia?), but I've always been fond of it:


The continued existance of McDonalds's attests to the fact that Americans are not ready for real food.



I haven't eaten McD's food (loose interpretation) in over 30 years. And yes, I have come to terms with being a food snob.
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I notice big bodacious boo-tay over "anything else". Sorry but EVERYTIME I see that Thread heading I think its about the same question until I open up. Must have happened at least ten times. So, if you can't beat 'em, join 'em.

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And I like food when I with my wife and service when I with my buddies. I guess what is the point of going out if it's not as good as we'd have at home. As for my buds, well... dogfood would probably suffice, as long as the beers were backing up. Can't recall anyone EVER complaining about the chow on a BNO.
 
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Originally posted by R K Singh:
AW one has to sacrifice something to get good tasty food.



Yes- cows, sheep, pigs, chickens and some innocent fruits and vegetables
 
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