Originally posted by fred rosenberger:
In the end, it doesn't matter. what happened happened. It makes for good stories later - either the angels will rally back and this will be the moment that fired them up, or they'll loose, and this will be the moment that ended their chances - it wasn't THEIR fault. We in St. Louis have our Don Denkinger in '85 call. One local bar here has a 10'x10' picture of Worrel with the ball in his glove, foot on the bag, and Ortega's foot still about a foot or two away.
Originally posted by Jesse Torres:
I am a Cubs fan but wouldn�t mind seeing the Sox win. Nevertheless, good call or not, both teams have had phenomenal pitching; AMAZING! Personally, I think that it was a bad call.
Originally posted by Paul Bourdeaux:
Paul, the fist sign with that motion is the yer out sign. So the umpire did call him out and that is why the catcher left the field. But as we know it is all beside the point.
The verbal call is the oficial call. Hand signals are not official (to the best of my knowledge), and they actually differ greatly between leagues and umpires. Because the umpire did not verbally say "out" or "no catch" (in some leagues the call is "in the dirt") the play was still alive. This is something we teach little leaguers! A.J. Pierzynski recognized this and advanced to first. Josh Paul didn't... call it a long day, call it a temporarily brain lapse... and chose to roll the ball to the mound instead. He could have easily tagged A.J. or thrown him out at first.
Don't get me wrong, the umpire screwed up his mechanics. The norm is to give the safe signal and yell "no catch" if the ball is in the dirt, otherwise give the third strike signal and call him out. But I still say the ultimate blame for the loss lies with Paul.
Of course, it is all moot now anyway. Besides, next year my Twins are gonna win it all anyway... (shortly after hell freezes over )