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what is matrix?

 
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Yesterday, I watched The Matrix. I didn't understand many things in the movie like why the neo was the one? Who was morphise (or something like that)? Why he was converting human into machine (or what they were)? Oracle? How she knows everything before? Who were the peoples opposite to this gang? Anything was real in that? And finally what is matrix?

 
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The matrix is a fake world used to entertain the minds of humans while their bodies are used to generate electricity for the machines imprisoning them. The movie is about the search for the one able to shape the program from within.

Bruce Willis is a ghost, he was dead the whole movie.
 
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Many elements in the movie are taken from Christian and Judaic symbology and may therefore be unfamiliar to others.

The One is effectively a messiah figure, the saviour of mankind.
The Oracle is a figure who can see into past and future and know the truth even if it is hidden. As real oracles in ancient Greece she talks mostly in riddles.
The Matrix itself is (as David tried to explain) a computer program creating a virtual reality world designed to keep humans from finding out the truth about their condition. While utterly fake, it is a direct reference to the conspiracy theories running rampant in Europe and America about "the government" using mind control devices to shape public opinion and keep their citizens from rebellion. More in line with the real world, it's an exagerration and logical end-conclusion of large scale propaganda and government oppression.

Why Neo is the One isn't explained in detail. It does however in the course of the movie become clear that his powers far exceed those of others, and are superhuman.
Morphius is like a priest/warrior as known in many religions.
 
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Originally posted by David O'Meara:
Bruce Willis is a ghost, he was dead the whole movie.



...and Darth Vader is Luke's father.
 
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The Matrix films are good fun, and the first had impressive (when it came out) special effects, but .....

Originally posted by David O'Meara:
their bodies are used to generate electricity for the machines imprisoning them

... bits like this are absolute nonsense. Surely super intelligent computers could come up with a slightly better way of recharging their batteries.
 
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If you didn't understand the first Matrix movie, by no means should you watch the second two, which could cause a cranial infarct.
 
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I won't tell who Spiderman was.
 
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Originally posted by David O'Meara:
Bruce Willis is a ghost, he was dead the whole movie.

Originally posted by Paul Sturrock:
...and Darth Vader is Luke's father.


...and Kevin Spacey is Keyser Soze.
[ October 25, 2006: Message edited by: Maureen Augustus ]
 
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Originally posted by Jeroen T Wenting:
Many elements in the movie are taken from Christian and Judaic symbology and may therefore be unfamiliar to others.




Actually, the storyline is drawing a lot from Buddhist and Vedic concepts as well as Judeo-Christian. Messiahs, saviors and sacrifice are not endemic to Abrahamic faiths. Hindu philopsophy talks about multiple re-incarnations of Vishnu who have acted as saviors, and fulfilled their Karma to save humanity. It's not easy for people who are familiar with Eastern philosophy to make that link.

People crossing between differrent planes of reality, multiple reincarnations of Neo, the Oracle being reborn as a differrent woman after the world changes, Neo accepting himself as a savior and choosing the right path over the easy way out are all drawn from Hindu mythology and Buddhist philosophy.
 
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Originally posted by Jayesh Lalwani:



Actually, the storyline is drawing a lot from Buddhist and Vedic concepts as well as Judeo-Christian. Messiahs, saviors and sacrifice are not endemic to Abrahamic faiths. Hindu philopsophy talks about multiple re-incarnations of Vishnu who have acted as saviors, and fulfilled their Karma to save humanity. It's not easy for people who are familiar with Eastern philosophy to make that link.

People crossing between differrent planes of reality, multiple reincarnations of Neo, the Oracle being reborn as a differrent woman after the world changes, Neo accepting himself as a savior and choosing the right path over the easy way out are all drawn from Hindu mythology and Buddhist philosophy.



And the concept of Maya...

Anyone patient enuf to sit till the end of Matrix 3 will catch the sound track based on a Vedic Chant......

Asotomam Satgamaya
Tamasomam Jyotirgamaya
Mrityormam Amritangamaya .....

Which mean's something on the lines...

Lead me...
From Falsehood towards the Truth..
From Darkness towards light...
From Death towards Immortality.......
 
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The best "special effect" was my physiological reaction to Carrie-Anne Moss.
 
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Originally posted by Maureen Augustus:

...and Kevin Spacey is Keyser Soze.

[ October 25, 2006: Message edited by: Maureen Augustus ]



Not to hijack the thread any more than necessary, but...

That is one of the few "surprise" endings that really did surprise me.

If you buy me a beer, I'll tell you my Crying Game Rule.
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Originally posted by Paul Sturrock:
...and Darth Vader is Luke's father.


The First Rule: If anyone mentions Tyler Durden in that vein...
 
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Homer Simpson (exiting theater in front of a long line to get in): I can't believe Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's Father!

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Mayor Quimby: In other news, the chick in the Crying Game is really a man.

Crowd: BOOO!!!

Quimby: I mean, man, is that a good movie!

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Frazier (retaliating that someone else spoiled a surprise for him): And by the way... In Citizen Kane, Rosebud is his sled! In Murder on the Orient Express, everybody did it! And in Star Wars, Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father!!!

Woody: Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father? That can't be. They don't even have the same last name!

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P.S.: and Deckard is a replicant!!!
[ October 25, 2006: Message edited by: Jim Yingst ]
 
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Originally posted by Dave Lenton:
The Matrix films are good fun, and the first had impressive (when it came out) special effects, but .....
... bits like this are absolute nonsense. Surely super intelligent computers could come up with a slightly better way of recharging their batteries.



If you watch Animatrix, it kind of makes sense. The computers were designed to serve humans. They took control because they thought that they could serve humans better by having the machines in control. Men retaliated by blocking out the sun, proving to the machines that humankind is incapable of taking care of itself.

So, logically, the best way to keep mankind happy would be to put them in a dream world so that they can continue to exist without having an effect on physical reality. The whole human-body-as-a-battery bit is a lie cooked up by the Zionists to attract people to their side. The Machine is doing what it was designed to do, in the best way it knows how.
 
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Right, but Dave is referring to the fact that, according to the movie, the machines fed off the human's electrical energy. That's just crap: they'd do better with a solar-powered 9-volt or a windmill when you take the cost of maintenance into account.

However, if the machines were somehow using humans for the sake of, say, their dreams, which provide randomness and je ne sais quoi that artificial life would require from organic life...well, that's more interesting.
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Bah (I need a smilie of Dogbert waving a dismissive paw) you just included that post so you could say je ne sais quoi. As did I.
 
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Originally posted by David O'Meara:
Bruce Willis is a ghost, he was dead the whole movie.

Originally posted by Paul Sturrock:
...and Darth Vader is Luke's father.



All I can say is, Freeeeeeeeeeeedoooooooooom!
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Originally posted by Jayesh Lalwani:


So, logically, the best way to keep mankind happy would be to put them in a dream world so that they can continue to exist without having an effect on physical reality.



But that was not the case in �The Matrix�. People were dying in reality if they are killed in the dream world (matrix) and vice versa. :roll:
 
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yes, but not because of the matrix itself. That's just cause and effect, and is common in many works of fiction (I don't think it's ever established whether it is actually true).
 
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If I have to explain Matrix, I would explain in single word "Maya-jaal".

I could not found Maya-jaal on net but may be Maya itself explain something about Mayajaal.
 
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... Soylent Green is people!
 
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Originally posted by Jim Yingst:

P.S.: and Deckard is a replicant!!!



I'm not sure this one counts as a "surprise ending". I don't think I "got it" until the second or third time I saw the movie. AND it's a little more obvious in the Director's Cut version, which includes some scenes that were left out of the theatrical release version.
 
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Originally posted by Ryan McGuire:
... I'm not sure this one counts as a "surprise ending". I don't think I "got it" until the second or third time I saw the movie...


And it's still a matter of debate. I've seen the movie about a dozen times (split between the original and director's cut), and I keep going back and forth on this.
 
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Originally posted by Stan James:
... Soylent Green is people!



you are what you eat...
 
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Originally posted by rathi ji:


But that was not the case in �The Matrix�. People were dying in reality if they are killed in the dream world (matrix) and vice versa. :roll:



Balak, you haven't comprehended Maya yet

The "real world" itself is just another simulation. The Real real world is never shown in Matrix. We don;t even know if real world exists. Everything is Maya

a) How did Neo stop the machines in the end of the Reloaded? How do his powers that rely on the world being unreal carry over to the real world? That means the real world is a simulation
b) How did Neo himself transfer his unreal world persona to the real world by getting on a train? That's because both the real and unreal worlds are simulations
c) Similarly, Sati (who is a computer program) transfer from the real world to the unreal? How did she exist in the real world if the real world is not a simulation

THe "real world" is just another simulation made for people who are not happy in the larger simulation that most people live in. Listen to the Architect's speech in Reloaded very carefully. It's very cryptic, but listen to it and he hints at it. He talks about Zion overloading the Matrix. Zion has to be part of the Matrix to overload it.
 
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Originally posted by Jayesh Lalwani:


Balak, you haven't comprehended Maya yet

The "real world" itself is just another simulation. The Real real world is never shown in Matrix. We don;t even know if real world exists. Everything is Maya

a) How did Neo stop the machines in the end of the Reloaded? How do his powers that rely on the world being unreal carry over to the real world? That means the real world is a simulation
b) How did Neo himself transfer his unreal world persona to the real world by getting on a train? That's because both the real and unreal worlds are simulations
c) Similarly, Sati (who is a computer program) transfer from the real world to the unreal? How did she exist in the real world if the real world is not a simulation

THe "real world" is just another simulation made for people who are not happy in the larger simulation that most people live in. Listen to the Architect's speech in Reloaded very carefully. It's very cryptic, but listen to it and he hints at it. He talks about Zion overloading the Matrix. Zion has to be part of the Matrix to overload it.



Actually nothing was real in Matrix movie. Neither Matrix nor the Zion.

What we think is reality is actually an illusion and what we think is illusion is anyway is illusion.

Reality, in reality is not reality.

So when nothing is real why are you worring about illusions ?
 
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