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Hot Java Browser � Savior ended prematurely

 
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Hot Java Browser � Savior ended prematurely


Hi Friends,

Lot of my friends and relatives are facing problem�s using browser(Mostly IE) based viruses,being a software engineer( ) they call me to help fix this issue;
but I find that these viruses are tough to remove, and some times the virus (Or is it spy-ware); even when you are not connected to Internet
when browser is launched shows a lot damaging pictures and pop-ups; tough if you have kids at home using the computer.

The solutions as provided in the Internet seems to be a long process of deleting registry keys, removing files and so-on

Easier solution is to re-install the OS;

My friends are teasing me with puns like

What kind of Engineer are you; not able to fix this trivial issue
Hey, man how much did you pay to get engineering degree?


why Sun Micro System discontinued hot-java browser was it meant to be a technological demonstrator; or as Sun�s interest evaded into Server Side java this tool was dropped

Furthermore, Mozilla Netscape browser was supposed to be written in Java ( Actually re-written in java); but as far as I could see, it is using C++

Can all this virus and spy ware could have been avoided if the browsers engine is written in Java where base Java Security mechanism would avoid this entire virus issue?

Besides the browser would be divorced of the OS that one can uninstall and re-install the browser at will

Why there are no java based browsers; as java is a predominately web/Internet based language

[ April 13, 2007: Message edited by: siva kumar ]
[ April 13, 2007: Message edited by: siva kumar ]
 
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Spyware is not hard to remove if you use the right tools (ad-Aware and spy-bot). And to stop getting Virus's you need to install Virus protection (AVG). [Those have are free or have a free version]

And tell them to stop looking at pr0n and downloading crap! Install Firefox for them and make sure their computers are up to date with patches.

Eric
 
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Hi,

I total agree with you, I don't face such problems because I don't visit such sites (God Iam speaking truth).

The problem is many are using older windows XP or Win98.

And many of my friends who are non-IT field are just started buying computers and are beginn to browse Internet

The need of the hour is a Java like security solution ( with multilingual Help if it is available) where they can browse freely forgetting about spy wares

I guess firefox is a good idea but I am not sure that it is damm secure.
 
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"but I am not sure that it is damm secure."

Well I wasn't about to put it in front of fast moving water.

What I recommend to learn to find how it is easy to figure out what is spyware you have.

In windows go to the Task Manager and look at the "services/tasks" running and look at the names. When you see a name that doesn't look familiar, do a Google search on that name. There are lots of web sites that are "What is this file?" type sites that will tell you what it is used for, and if it is spyware, how to remove it.

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a) A Java browser won't address the security holes that are built into Windows
b) A Java browser will be more or less incompatible with many webpages out there. Java makes it very difficult for UI widgets written in other languages to be plugged into a Java app. So, if we have a pure Java browser, you will have to either 1)develop technology that allows plug-ins like Flash player to integrate with Java, or 2)ask third-party plug in vendors to re-implement their plug-ins in Java

I don't think 1) will be effective because you will end up with the same security problems as IE. 2) is not practical
 
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Software Engineer != Computer Repair Man

I know a guy that teaches at the University of Missouri (USA) and is working on his PHD in CS. He is currently working in the AI, 3D Rendering, and pattern recognition fields. He is scary smart. Like he will either save the earth or destroy it kind of smart.

He calls me when his computer breaks.
 
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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
Software Engineer != Computer Repair Man


This has been one of my pet peeves for years. My sister is an M.D. She's an allergist. would you call her to do brain surgery? no. that doesn't mean she's not a good allergist, though.

Even better, ask a Doctor if they can fix an MRI machine. Or ask a construction worker to fix a backhoe. I doubt anyone expects them to be able to do that.

For me, the computer is my tool to do what I do. I don't have to know how to fix/build/repair it - that's not my job. My job is to use it.
[ April 13, 2007: Message edited by: Fred Rosenberger ]
 
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Well put, Fred.
 
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While I agree that a browser in Java probably wouldn't be practical, it's not at all unfeasible. HotJava and Netscapes abortive project were doomed by the immaturity of desktop Java at that time, not by any inherent difficulty. Today, of course, you can get Firefox for just about all platforms, so who would bother with this? Plus, it would still be a tremendous effort. But it is a nice thought experiment, especially as there could be all kinds of APIs for user code to hook into the browser - think Firefox extensions for the (Java programming) masses..

a) A Java browser won't address the security holes that are built into Windows


But it would not be susceptible to most attacks IE is susceptible to, mainly because native code can't be transported through it. So any attacks based on buffer overflow or ActiveX controls would be impossible.

b) A Java browser will be more or less incompatible with many webpages out there. Java makes it very difficult for UI widgets written in other languages to be plugged into a Java app. So, if we have a pure Java browser, you will have to either 1)develop technology that allows plug-ins like Flash player to integrate with Java, or 2)ask third-party plug in vendors to re-implement their plug-ins in Java

I don't think 1) will be effective because you will end up with the same security problems as IE. 2) is not practical



The most widely used plugins are for Flash, QuickTime and Applets, all of which can be used by Java code. If there were a viable Java browser, little effort would be needed to create plugins for these, and to update their codebase to the latest versions of these technologies. Native code need not be involved, and it should not be involved, since that would negate one of the chief advantagess of a Java browser.
 
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ICEBrowser is written in Java. No word on it saving the computing world. . .
 
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Hi Guys,

I am nearly knocked out..�

" Software Engineer! = Computer Repair Man � � � Truth absolute truth �

You can also add Java Programmer! = Perl/ Unix/Web Logic (Admin)/
SQL (DB Developer) /Html/ JavaScript

{Please call and tell my company}

Further more it is costly for calling up a repairman to fix these issues; and further

Wait a sec: -

We do always ask help from them; hey don�t tell me you never called up your auditor friend when you need someone to help on tax saving;

Or you never called up your stockbroker uncle (Of course if you have one just like me) when you are planning to invest in stocks

Likewise I think they would like to call you; when there is a problem in their computer besides I am not handling hardware issues.

I don�t think even in office as a software engineer we always type code in Java; we happen to sometimes fiddle with web server App server install SSL certificates (At least in development) even some times work with mainframe machines see Cobol code if our java code talks with legacy application
(If you work in production support for a java app; trust me you dont have that luxury)

We do all that stuff most of the time; I am lost � I was just curious why Java lost the browser part when it was the pioneer to do so and I still think a java based browser with the java sandbox security mechanism will be very secure than the current browsers
 
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This is a big reason I switched to Mac. I couldn't figure out how to keep a Windows machine running smoothly -- or even reasonably well.

At work, I still struggle with Windows. But we have a whole department to deal with the constant frustrations. It's always a relief to get home.
 
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allergist



Wow. I didnt know that was a profession
 
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