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A question for Sue, our forum guest and the author of the promising new struts book,
Relative to Struts, what is your opinion on the implementation of the other apache java technologies like Turbine and Cocoon, ?
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Hi Chris. I actually haven't worked with Turbine so I wouldn't want to offer an opinion on something via 'things that I've heard'.
I worked with Cocoon about two years ago, and at that point I wasn't to impressed. It had a lot of problems, but keep in mind this was when it was first getting going. It has come a LONG way since then. If you are working with a lot of XML transformations it might be something to take a look at in more detail. Struts is primarily focused on JSP/Servlet technology.
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Hi there,
Hey, Sue, do you have an opinion on StrutsCX? I didn't even know it existed until a couple of days ago when another person asked on this news group what people thought of it. Reading its description, it's an Struts variation that uses XSLT transforms instead of JSP to render output.
A great segue from the Coccoon question in your previous post :-)
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I just took a look at StrutsCX but I don't know enough about XSLT or STRUTS for that matter to make any kind of judgement call right now. I will be interested in hearing what Sue and other people have to say about it though.
The one thing I did like about it is the better seperation of business logic. JSP really made things too easy to screw up in terms of the MVC design pattern.
Personally, I think allowing java code in a jsp page was a bad idea. (I know it all goes to java code anyway) but from a design perspective, using XSLT seems a bit cleaner of an approach?
 
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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
Personally, I think allowing java code in a jsp page was a bad idea. (I know it all goes to java code anyway) but from a design perspective, using XSLT seems a bit cleaner of an approach?


I agree that the scriptlet stuff is often awful to look at, let alone touch it.
But. I don't think XSLT is necessarily a better solution. XSLT is meant for transformations -- how many transformations your typical web interface really needs? Is your data coming in XML from the business logic layer?
I am currently doing a mobile application where the J2ME code and J2EE code (webapp) talk to each other using XML messages. I looked for a web framework with XML support for some time but decided that there was no rationale for using such a product as I wasn't doing transformations, only generating the XML from Java objects on the web layer. XML data binding, perhaps, but no XSLT for me, thanks.
Personally, I put my hopes on JSPs with XML syntax and taglibs (Struts, JSF, or something else).
 
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Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
Personally, I think allowing java code in a jsp page was a bad idea. (I know it all goes to java code anyway) but from a design perspective, using XSLT seems a bit cleaner of an approach?


In JSP 2.0 you can actually forbid the use of Java code within a JSP. Writing Java code (in a JSP) becomes a lot less necessary with the use of the EL that was created in JSTL and will be a required part of JSP 2.0.
 
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