Pat Farrell wrote:Long ago, I went to parochial schools (Catholic). The nuns would regularly whack bad students with a ruler across the knuckles, which hurt a lot.
Paul Clapham wrote:I googled for "St. Louis de France" and came up with a bunch of places in Quebec.
marc weber wrote:
W. Joe Smith wrote:Corporal punishment isn't allowed in public schools in the US...
21 states still allow it. (Ref: FamilyEducation.com.)
W. Joe Smith wrote:...I'd be interested to see how many schools in those states actually practice corporal punishment...
Corporal punishment in schools remains legal in 21 U.S. states and is used frequently in 13 [concentrated in the South]... The highest percentage of students receiving corporal punishment was in Mississippi, with 7.5 percent of students. The highest number was in Texas, with 48,197 students...
Overall, 223,190 students received corporal punishment in 2006-07, according to the Department of Education statistics.
''The vast preponderance of the lawsuits challenging the use of corporal punishment in individual instances are unsuccessful,'' said Charles Vergon, a professor at Youngstown State University in Ohio who has studied the issue for 15 years.
Families tend to win such cases, Professor Vergon said, only when educators have ''abused in a fairly significant way the public's trust.''
Arvind Mahendra wrote:
Reading some of the examples of punishments, I am forced to ask, where do you draw the line between corporal punishment and torture?
People used corporal punishment for as long as there was humanity. In the 20th century some people speculated that it was bad and harmful, but I don't think any well-controlled prospective studies were done to compare different forms of discipline among carefully selected similar subject. There have been retrospective studies which cherry-picked the data points to be included so as to yield a result that corporal punishment is bad.
On a related note, what do you guys think about corporal punishment? Do you think it is a necessity and kids would turn out more disciplined or do you believe in yelling/cursing/scaring/bribing/guilting etc?
That's what I mean. It's easy to say that other methods of discipline are better than corporal punishment, and that is quite likely true in cases where those other means _work_. But what about when other methods don't work? Is it better to leave his behavior unchanged until his behavior escalates to the degree that you can justify juvenile prison?
herb slocomb wrote:I know people who've worked in the top 5 largest school systems in US, and while corporal punishment isnt used, the other larger issue is school violence by children who cannot be controlled by any means now available. Its only after a crime has been committed and the police are called that real action is taken. Sometimes thats too late for the victims...
The last war story I heard a month ago was from a teacher who worked in a large overcrowded/understaffed middle school. A child confided to her that he would not drink any liquids during the day because he didn't want to use the restroom in school since that is where beatings and fights occur on a regular basis. A few months earlier to that a child was beaten unconscious in the restroom. She's afraid to work there, there are weekly fights of a serious nature, but she has few options.
Some schools are required to get parent's permission to spank. (Otherwise, I guess other punishments such as suspensions and detention are used, I guess.) Are the schools in Germany required to get parents' permission to sexually abuse the pupils?
Darya Akbari wrote:We have a great discussion here in Germany, where at private elite schools run by different clergy systems not only physical punishment is used but also sexual abuse of the pupils. I wonder how stupid parents are who give their children away to such schools thinking that their children get the best education on earth, while these poor souls just get abused sexually and physically.
Darya Akbari wrote:... not only physical punishment is used but also sexual abuse of the pupils.
We hear of many such scandals in the U.S. I wonder whether this sort of thing went on fifty, a hundred years ago, or whether the clergy itself has been corrupted by the permissive spirit in society. (In the Schulmaedchen Report movies back in the 1970s, it was usually the pupils who were trying to tempt the priests.)
Darya Akbari wrote:I wish it was only a joke. Follow the discussion in Germany here
Rambo Prasad wrote:I think such teachers deserve to be lynched in public..
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