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Hi,
why do you have to pay for joining The Cattle Drive?
 
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Hi Sander,
have you read this ?
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Diego
 
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We used to do it for free when we first started. The only price was that you had to do at least 2 posts for each nitpick.

However, it got to the point where we had so many new students beginning that three volunteer nitpickers couldn't handle the load of students submitting the first assignment. And 90% of the students dropped out after completing the first assignment.

So we thought that if we charged for the course, people would think twice before presuming on the volunteer's time.

So far it has been effective.
 
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Hi Diego,Marilyn,
Of course I've read the instuctions and I do inderstand by charging for the course you get serious students. But I believe charging about 200 euro's is a lot of money, I rather spend the money for the SCPD exam (in the Netherlands a SCPD makes more sence than a sheriff!)
Nevertheless, I'll continue working on the assignments because I'm (still)a java greenhorn and they are a good practice!
By the way, JavaRanch is absolutely number 1. This site is a great (or maybe the best) help.
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Sander.
 
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Originally posted by Sander Klooster:
But I believe charging about 200 euro's is a lot of money, I rather spend the money for the SCPD exam ...
Nevertheless, I'll continue working on the assignments because I'm (still)a java greenhorn and they are a good practice!


Hi Sander, welcome to the ranch. You decide where your budget priorities are of course. The SCPD exam and the Cattle Drive nitpicking service are really two different animals. If nitpicking is not what you're looking for right now though, that's up to you. For what you get with nitpicking, however, I think $200 is a very reasonable price.
You can continue to do the assignments on your own. If you get stuck, try a search first (there's a lot of valuable tips hidden 'round these parts) then feel free to ask questions in the forum if you have any (without code of course).
Have fun learning Java and see you 'round the ranch,
Pauline
 
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The goals of the SCJD and the SCJP are definitely different from the goals of the cattle drive. SCJP is to show that you have knowledge of the language. SCJD is to design and write a very large application that works and meets the requirements of the assignment.

The Cattle Drive's main goal is to help you learn how to write readable, easily maintainable code as well has help you learn some useful things about coding in Java. We do this by using the "code review"/nitpicking process. This can become very intense very quickly for the nitpickers if we're not careful. It's easy to get overwhelmed and burnt out. I know, I've burnt out several assistant nitpickers. However, we're happy to keep helping students because we believe that it is important for developers to learn to write clean, elegant, maintainable code.
 
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As a student on the cattle drive, I value a place to learn more java and even more so the experience of the code review process.
We have recently added structured code reviews to the process at work and I wanted to get more experience so that I can stay emotionally neutral during the reviews at work. The cattle drive has been helpful in shifting my mindset so I can separate my ego from my code, not always an easy thing to do. My company was willing to pay for the registation because I presented it as an on-line class, which it is, and my manager was open to alternative ways of learning.
Regards,
Sharon
[ October 30, 2003: Message edited by: Sharon Ross ]
 
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I think Sharon has a very smart boss. More companies should put up the money to get training for their employees who want to use it to do a better job.
 
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I've been out of work for some time now and I'm undergoing the nitpicking to try and get my programming up to scratch (my Sun voucher runs out at the end of the year, so I'm trying to do as much as I can, and look for a job as well!).
I've found the nitpicking invaluable - even if I'm sure the nitpickers must groan when my name crops up!
Many thanks to all the poor nitpickers - we couldn't do it without you.
All the best,
Kate!!
 
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