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Hi,

This question is primarily directed to Marilyn de Queiroz, but anyone please feel free to chip in . I'm keen on joining the Cattle Drive, and am also going to attempt to gain credit for it towards my university studies. I've asked the lecturer about it, and he was impressed by the course, but concerned that the assignments seemed a little simplistic and was unable to find enough information to make a final descision.

It's very hard to assess the JavaRanch material, as I rapidly reached the point of "pay US$200 to continue"; the assignments seem a bit superficial; the discussion forums have some good comment by 'sheriff', but not much else; the test book's contents are comprehensive, and well beyond our SD1/SD2, but it's not clear how much the course covers



If you can supply detailed information without violating the JavaRanch copyright/licence, that would help."

Can anyone help me convince the lecturer that the Cattle Drive is up to scratch with a course at a formal institution? What would be really awesome is a more formal description of the drive, best case scenario would be something similar to the course outline which I have provided a link to below. The way I see it, this could be very useful to the drive itself, as I wasn't really convinced until I read a lot of the posts about the drive, which made me want to saddle up right away (i'll just have to rob the bank first) even though they are mostly from back in 2001/2002. I'm sold, but I'm also a full-time university student, and need to convince my prof so that I can do the course during semester.

The course outline can be accessed by clicking this link *fixed* and typing "ITB112" in the unit code box, with 2004 for the year (the rest is unneccessary), then clicking any campus link, they all lead to the same document. I put the link here so the post wouldn't be too huge. If it would be more convienient to view it here, please tell me and I'll modify this post.

Thank you very, very much to anyone who helps out, I appreciate it a lot. I know it is a lot to do, and I will try and repay it in any way I can, mostly by trying to do absolutely perfect assignments for the nit-pickers.
[ August 17, 2004: Message edited by: Ray Muirhead ]
 
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Ray,

I sent you a pretty lenghty private response on my comparison of the 'Drive versus my Univeristy schooling. Hope it helps!

School-approved or not, tho'... I do highly recommend the experiences you'll have while being prodded here.
 
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The link takes me to a "Studyfinder Logout" page.

As far as getting finished with the course in the timeline of a semester, people have done that.

Based on what I remember of your previous post (the one that no longer exists), I think there are a couple of things that the Cattle Drive does not cover. But it's hard to make a comparison based on a memory of the requirements.

More later. Gotta go.
 
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Thanks guys, espescially you Dav, that private message was great! Don't worry Marilyn, I understand that you are really busy. I'm a bit tied up at the moment but i'll edit my post to include the course outline today.
[edited, fixed link instead -- it was linked internally from where I was logged in, it is now a public login that will always work]

I think at this stage that I might just go ahead without approval (or with conditional approval) and submit a portfolio of work for them at the end, which would work pretty well with their system (at the Queensland University of Technology, Australia) as they have private interview to determine academic credit.

I guess you get out what you put in, like in anything else in life.

Cheers
[ August 16, 2004: Message edited by: Ray Muirhead ]
 
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Glad I could help out, Ray. I worked for the University I'm attending in the area where we did portfolio and evaluations... so when you get to that point, just let me know and I can try to help you out some.

Welcome to the Drive!
[ August 16, 2004: Message edited by: dav mccartney ]
 
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Thanks dav, I can't believe how helpful and friendly everyone is here - there must be something in the whiskey
 
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The drive may be full of friendly folk, but that don't mean it's goin' to be a cake walk!
Glad you're goin' to join us. I believe you will find it well worth your while.
 
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Ray, a warm welcome to Cattle Drive!

Joyce
 
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One of the hardest things about nitpicking is giving clues without giving the answer. It seems that I usually make the clue either too difficult or too easy. I guess that's one of the biggest differences between the Cattle Drive and a regular course. The other big difference is that you don't just get your assignment back after one attempt with 73%, 80% or 87% marked on it. You hopefully have been given a reason to think about how to improve your coding, making it more readable and maintainable while learning about the Java language at the same time. You also learn other practical things, like how to follow a particular style guide (even if you don't agree with it 100% of the time).
 
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Personally, this is exactly what I want, and what I had thought traditional courses would be like. To be honest, I hope the clues are really difficult, I would like to struggle. Cruising through courses at uni hasn't really taught me much.

Thanks for taking out the time to help with this Marilyn and I look forward to getting my first assignment nit-picked. I've done Java 1 a & b, just waiting on approval from the university so that I can pay and hand it in.

Cheers
 
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Hey Ray, welcome to the ranch and the cattle drive.

"I would like to struggle"

Looks like you've come to the right place, the cattle drive is a masochists haven.

On the more serious side... Going through the drive is a really active learning experience. You get to learn by doing, by figuring out things along the way, by making mistakes ( ) and learning from them. It's hard work, but the challenge sets you up for a more satisfying feeling of accomplishment when you get through it. And you're not alone, that makes it all the more fun, you get abuse I mean feedback through nitpicking and you can talk over the tough spots with other drivers. All my oh-so-humble opinion of course.

Now back to our regularly scheduled program...
[ August 20, 2004: Message edited by: Pauline McNamara ]
 
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Oh oh, he's gone and done 1a and 1b

Just 1a, send him in, get yer abuse. Iterate 5 times . Then send in yer 1b - if you dare...

I know, been there, done that.
 
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