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Paul Anilprem wrote:There is definitely shortage of skills...... at a $x/hr. But that is how the capitalist economy works. Market forces will make every effort to get the same skills a lower and lower rates. At one time, a machinist was an "expert" with great skills. Now he is not! Why would s/w developer be any different? A majority of the work does involve writing an OS. So why should a company pay for an "expert" if that work can be done by one who is not at "expert".
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chris webster wrote:
Paul Anilprem wrote:There is definitely shortage of skills...... at a $x/hr. But that is how the capitalist economy works. Market forces will make every effort to get the same skills a lower and lower rates. At one time, a machinist was an "expert" with great skills. Now he is not! Why would s/w developer be any different? A majority of the work does involve writing an OS. So why should a company pay for an "expert" if that work can be done by one who is not at "expert".
It's strange that the software industry is being pulled in two directions these days. On the one hand we have the Walmart "stack 'em high and sell 'em cheap" approach, where you just employ armies of coding monkeys to churn out crap code fast because that's all the market seems to demand - "the public wants what the public gets". On the other hand we have the Agile/craftsman approach, encouraged by places like JavaRanch, where developers are supposed to be deeply engaged in the whole analysis/design/development life-cycle and striving for quality at all stages.
It will be interesting to see who wins out in the end, but my suspicion is that software craftspeople will go the same way as every other kind of craftsman i.e. replaced by inferior but cheaper bulk providers. Maybe there will be market for bespoke software, just like there's a market for artisan cheeses, but it's not going to be enough to support an industry in most places.
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Paul Anilprem wrote:
While I agree with a lot of things you mentioned, specially "profits are privatised while losses are dumped on the rest of society", I think I disagree with the tone of your message. Specially the terms "code monkeys" and " inferior but cheaper".
1. Monkeys, contrary to popular belief, can't code. So rest assured that if there is a piece of code that works at any level, it is not coded by a monkey.
2. Inferior in what sense? Is a Car inferior to a Spaceship? They are meant for different purposes. Just because there a million "inferior but cheaper" programmers, doesn't mean there will be no "superior but expensive" programmers. The ratio of these two categories will be determined by the market, the same way it is determined for Cars and Spaceships.
I am not sure if that is the case and I apologize if it is not, but from your message it seems like you believe you (or others who expect more salary/rate) are superior just because you used to get higher rate. I believe higher rate was an abnormality, which is associated with every industry in its infancy. S/w industry is maturing and these rates will go away.
So while one might feel psychologically better by believing that they are superior, the fact is that they may not necessarily be. They were probably just lucky to get abnormal rate earlier and now not as much.
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Henry Wong wrote:
These recruiters call me periodicaly (okay, only once a year to catch up, and maybe ask for a reference), but they can't even acknowledge that they received an email from me or my recommendation? This strikes me as.... as my previous manager describes it ... peeing in the town well, and then expecting to take drinking water from it.
Henry
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