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Getting my Java OCAJ 7 Certifications, worth it?

 
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Hello all! First time post!

I'm (semi)new to Java, although I'd like to say I'm getting a great feel for it since I started studying it a few months ago. I've been reading everything on here and on NewThinkTank.org, so I decided to grab a study guide and studied up for the OCAJ 7 1Z0-803 Exam.

I was wondering, though, how much more is on the 804 Exam? Is it difficult? I was thinking about maybe taking both in one fell swoop to get a kickstart in the job hunt. Also, what kind of jobs are available for OCAJ 7 Programmers?

Thanks in advance!
 
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Don't know; I went through the route of getting a degree rather than certification. I think it best I move this discussion to the exam forum, where it may get better answers.
 
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David McMonigle wrote:what kind of jobs are available for OCAJ 7 Programmers?


It probably depends greatly on what part of the world you live in. I live in the UK and I have never been asked if I have any Java Certifications (which is handy because I don't have any). The majority of vacancies for software developers are asking for degree qualifications as a bare minimum.
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:Welcome to the Ranch
Don't know; I went through the route of getting a degree rather than certification. I think it best I move this discussion to the exam forum, where it may get better answers.




Thanks a bunch Campbell!
 
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IMHO, degree and certification should not be compared. Degree is the basic education one gets; it is the foundation. However, a certification makes one specialize on one aspect (java programming in this context). Degree is the necessity, certification is for improving one's chances to get job and do better.
 
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Nancy Avent wrote:IMHO, degree and certification should not be compared. Degree is the basic education one gets; it is the foundation. However, a certification makes one specialize on one aspect (java programming in this context). Degree is the necessity, certification is for improving one's chances to get job and do better.



So you're saying because I don't have a degree I have no shot at getting a job even with a certificate?
 
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I know this thread is over a month old, but I don't agree that a degree in C.S. is always required for a job as a software developer. My company just hired a new dev who does not have a CS degree. He has a Mathematics degree instead. I've also seen people with Physics, Electrical Engineering, Information Sciences and other degrees in the field.

Besides people like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs never had degrees.

I'm also curious about the OP's original question: "How much more is on the 804 Exam? Is it difficult?"
 
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David: No. It's that it is harder without a degree.

Scott: But they had a degree in something. When hiring an entry level person, companies often prefer a degree holder to someone with no degree at all.
 
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I like the train of thought at http://m.javaworld.com/community/node/2651?mm_ref=http%3A%2F%2Fanswers.yahoo.com%2Fquestion%2Findex%3Fqid%3D20090408200413AAUPJ5O personally, even though I have two Bachelors degrees and am looking into starting a masters.
 
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David, I have a degree but not in technical stuff. After doing various jobs, I decided to pick up again my passion for programming (seen also that in this moment find a job in Italy is pretty tough) and I started studying java.
In the meanwhile I have sent a lot of c.v. in the area where I live there are a lot of requests for java programmers.
I never had a reply.
Why?

Different reasons.
1 - Mainly people who hires wants at least 1 year of previous experience.
2 - They want you to know different frameworks (struts, spring) or j2ee or web technologies (javascript, html5, css etc. etc.), that I don't know yet.
3 - They prefer a person with a CS degree.
4 - other reasons...

Given all that, I am still studying considering that:

1 - I am aware that all this could be a loss of time (in the meanwhile I'm sending c.v. also for other jobs like barman or whatever)
2 - I am trying to expand my knowledge - After passing OCA 5/6 and OCA 7, I am now preparing OCP 7 and studying sql and trying to start with android
3 - I think that one of the best possible solution for this problem is to create more than one program and publish them on a website and refer to it in a c.v.
so that you present yourself and your competencies, the most complex are the programs, the best, obviously.
4 - Maybe I have a brilliant idea for a wonderful app and I become the employer of myself :-)

So, you are not alone! Don't give up and good luck to us!
 
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hey all ,
I started studying with new sierra,bates java SE 7 book for OCAJP exam but the exam topics mention in this link https://coderanch.com/t/570259/java-SCJA/certification/Java-OCA , doesnt seem to be mention in the objectives under OCAJ exam in the book . Am i wrong please kindly clarify
 
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I would refer to Oracle's web site since they decide what's on the exam at any point in time: Oracle Java Certification

If you're needing to be certified, I would strongly encourage the latest Java 8 certification rather than the Java 7 which is outdated now.
 
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