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This was in today's paper:

When a cyclist yells at you because they almost ran into you while running a red light going the wrong way on a one-way #nycproblems



Sadly this has almost happened to me. I was once yelled at by a cyclist who was going the wrong way on a one way street while I was jaywalking in the middle of the block. Seems we were both wrong.
 
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Cyclist are notorious in Austin -- you know, home of Lance Armstrong and all.

They cry and scream about drivers not "respecting their right to the road" but I have yet to see one not breaking the rules of the road.
 
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Bear Bibeault wrote:-- you know, home of Lance Armstrong and all.


I think Armstrong deserves to get all his medals and money back. I mean he was so full of drugs but still won all those races. Hell I can't even find my car when I am drunk!
 
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He has quite the reputation around town for being a flaming 4$$#@|3.

Coincidentally, today's cycling WTF: someone riding on the wrong side of a highway in the deceleration lane of my turnout. Holy crap!
 
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I think this post qualifies for #nycproblems
 
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Joe Ess wrote:I think this post qualifies for #nycproblems


Funny you should mention that. They are talking about banning bags again. Or charging 10 cents per bag. I'd pay ten cents for a bag.
 
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:

Joe Ess wrote:I think this post qualifies for #nycproblems


Funny you should mention that. They are talking about banning bags again. Or charging 10 cents per bag. I'd pay ten cents for a bag.



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Not long ago a cyclist bumped into my car, causing some scratches on the back.

She said she didn't have her glasses on, so she couldn't see very well. Why the $#^&$ was she cycling without glasses on? She endangers herself if she's cycling and can't see well enough.

The Netherlands is generally a very friendly country for cyclists, we have many cycling lanes.
 
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Bear Bibeault wrote:Cyclist are notorious in Austin -- you know, home of Lance Armstrong and all.

They cry and scream about drivers not "respecting their right to the road" but I have yet to see one not breaking the rules of the road.

Some of the rules are too costly for cyclists to obey all the time. A good example would be stop signs and stoplights when no one is coming. If you obeyed the law you'd lose all your hard-earned momentum. Maybe if we had hybrid bicycles that stored breaking energy in a battery, and a motor to re-accelerate the bike after stopping ....
 
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Joe Ess wrote:

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Joe Ess wrote:I think this post qualifies for #nycproblems


Funny you should mention that. They are talking about banning bags again. Or charging 10 cents per bag. I'd pay ten cents for a bag.



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Why do they call them "T-shirt carry-out bags"? I think a more accurate name would be "wife-beater carry-out bags". A T-shirt has short sleeves -- these bags look more like sleeveless undershirts (i.e. wife-beaters).
 
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Frank Silbermann wrote: Some of the rules are too costly for cyclists to obey all the time. A good example would be stop signs and stoplights when no one is coming. If you obeyed the law you'd lose all your hard-earned momentum.


The same can be said for a car - it looses it's hard earned momentum, and must burn more fuel, generating more pollution and destroying the environment. By your logic, cars should be allowed to blow through them as well.
 
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Do they teach kids traffic rules in school?

I remember in my primary school they set out a course through the town, and after an examination on the theory, we had to cycle the course and after completing it we got our verkeersdiploma (traffic diploma) :P
 
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Frank Silbermann wrote: Some of the rules are too costly for cyclists to obey all the time. A good example would be stop signs and stoplights when no one is coming. If you obeyed the law you'd lose all your hard-earned momentum.


The same can be said for a car - it looses it's hard earned momentum, and must burn more fuel, generating more pollution and destroying the environment. By your logic, cars should be allowed to blow through them as well.

When computer controls allow cars to do that safely, we should. In the mean time, the extra cost of gasoline is small compared to the extra pain a bicycle rider must endure to stop and re-start. (The extra pollution is easily ignored by the driver.)
 
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fred rosenberger wrote:By your logic, cars should be allowed to blow through them as well.



No, the Idaho Stop (astonishingly it's named after a law from the state of Idaho) doesn't let cyclists "blow through" stop signs. It allows cyclists to treat Stop and Yield signs in the same way. Pretty much the way a lot of car drivers actually treat stop signs, if you stop and watch driver behaviour at low-traffic intersections with stop signs.
 
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Stephan van Hulst wrote:Do they teach kids traffic rules in school?


I don't think we learned that in school. We learned how to cross the street from our parents.
 
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Frank Silbermann wrote:...the extra pain a bicycle rider must endure to stop and re-start.


Don't most people ride bikes for...i dunno...the HEALTH benefits? which include...using their muscles?

 
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I think one of the reasons that bikes don't respect the rules, is because they are not required to learn the rules. There is no requirement to get a driver's license for bicycles. Another reason is that it is unlikely that they will cause casualties. In a car versus bike argument, it is unlikely to end in the injury of the car's driver or passengers.

Having said that, the bike versus pedestrian argument is clearly the biker's fault. I believe pedestrians have the right-of-way, no matter how stupid the pedestrian's actions are.

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fred rosenberger wrote:Don't most people ride bikes for...i dunno...the HEALTH benefits? which include...using their muscles?



No, fred, they don't. They ride bikes to get places -- at least, a lot of them do. Health benefits are a nice side effect. But having to stop every 200 meters just because it's dangerous for some other kind of vehicle not to stop is just annoying.
 
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Paul Clapham wrote:

fred rosenberger wrote:Don't most people ride bikes for...i dunno...the HEALTH benefits? which include...using their muscles?



No, fred, they don't. They ride bikes to get places -- at least, a lot of them do. Health benefits are a nice side effect. But having to stop every 200 meters just because it's dangerous for some other kind of vehicle not to stop is just annoying.


You can get places by means other than riding bikes. And it is dangerous for runners when bikes don't stop. Heck..it's dangerous for CARS when bikes don't stop. I have been in my car, stopped at a red light. My light turned green. There were 3-4 bicyclists going through, so I waited for them to clear the intersection, then started to go. Another cyclist, apparently with the group, seems to have felt he should be allowed to blow through the intersection to stay with his group, and we almost collided.

I drive. I bike. I run. Saying you should be allowed to ignore the law just because it is annoying and inconvenient is a fairly weak argument.
 
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fred rosenberger wrote:Don't most people ride bikes for...i dunno...the HEALTH benefits? which include...using their muscles?



No, fred, they don't. They ride bikes to get places -- at least, a lot of them do. Health benefits are a nice side effect. But having to stop every 200 meters just because it's dangerous for some other kind of vehicle not to stop is just annoying.


You can get places by means other than riding bikes. And it is dangerous for runners when bikes don't stop. Heck..it's dangerous for CARS when bikes don't stop. I have been in my car, stopped at a red light. My light turned green. There were 3-4 bicyclists going through, so I waited for them to clear the intersection, then started to go. Another cyclist, apparently with the group, seems to have felt he should be allowed to blow through the intersection to stay with his group, and we almost collided.

I drive. I bike. I run. Saying you should be allowed to ignore the law just because it is annoying and inconvenient is a fairly weak argument.

No one is arguing that it should be permitted. Blowing through stop signs is something that bike riders do despite not being allowed. It's like jay-walking -- silly to obey the law _always_, but practically speaking, the punishment is for getting caught.
 
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fred rosenberger wrote:Saying you should be allowed to ignore the law just because it is annoying and inconvenient is a fairly weak argument.



If the law required all vehicles (not just trucks) to stop daily at government-run weigh stations and to check their brakes regularly before going down steep hills, you'd find a lot of car drivers agitating to have the law changed because that would be annoying and inconvenient, as you put it. And they'd be right. You shouldn't make cars follow laws designed for trucks even though they use the same roads. Likewise you shouldn't make bikes follow laws designed for cars even though they use the same roads. Using the roads safely, sure, that should be a law. But acting safely is different for trucks versus cars, and versus bicycles.

And complaining about unsafe actions of certain groups people is not very useful because it just raises the suspicion that you're ignoring the equally unsafe actions of other groups.
 
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