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Wired says someone 3D printed a generic house key. It's a little more complicated than that, but it sounds like picking locks is on the way out because these keys are easier.

I've seen some outside doors use RFID chip type "locks", but nothing like that for house/apartment doors. I wonder what comes next.
 
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:I wonder what comes next.


"There's an app for that."
 
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That's physical key AND an e-key. Which means it has the convenience and limitations of both the old and new way.
 
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The phrase that caught my eye was competitive lockpicker. Wait...what?
 
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Locks keep honest people out. "Bump keys" and other lockpicking techniques have been around as long as locks themselves.
The best you can do is make things difficult and hope the criminal moves on to the next place.
 
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I can well imagine pure e-key implementations. Imagine a hotel where instead of card readers, they have e-locks and issue either e-keys you put on your phone (that expire when you check out), or for those without phones, issue a fob instead of a card or key.

I believe there are cars now that have keyless starts.

I can also see e-locks that, rather than a keyhole in the middle, have a camera that can monitor who comes to the door in real time.

I cannot imagine all of this already exists -- I know there are camera-equipped doorbells.
 
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Joe Ess wrote:Locks keep honest people out. "Bump keys" and other lockpicking techniques have been around as long as locks themselves.
The best you can do is make things difficult and hope the criminal moves on to the next place.



In the business, known as "hardening the target".

Sort of like the old saying "You don't need to outrun the lion, just outrun the slowest gazelle."
 
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Bear Bibeault wrote:issue a fob instead of a card or key


Fobs are more expensive than cards. Plus, they don't survive falling in the hotel pool as well as a card. I like the hotel key app idea, though. Looks like the Hilton is already on it.

Bear Bibeault wrote:I believe there are cars now that have keyless starts.


For those that live in the frozen North, Viper has had such an add-on kit for a while. You can start your car with your iPhone up to a mile away. Nice for warming it up before you step outside to this:

Pic was taken by a friend and posted to Facebook on March 1, 2014. Thankfully, I live nowhere near that cold...
(That "Feels Like" about -58 Fahrenheit for my American friends).

Cheers!
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Bear Bibeault wrote:. . .
I believe there are cars now that have keyless starts.
. . ..

My daughter used to have one.
 
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Bear Bibeault wrote:I believe there are cars now that have keyless starts.


My supervisor has an app on his phone that will start his GMC(?) truck. If he doesn't open the door within 10 minutes it shuts off.

Annother colleague has a car where she has a RFID dongle on her keychain. It is smart enough to know which side of the car she is on, and only unlocks that door. once she sits in teh drivers seat with the dongle nearby, it has a push-button start.
 
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rfid is the future
 
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fred rosenberger wrote:

Annother colleague has a car where she has a RFID dongle on her keychain. It is smart enough to know which side of the car she is on, and only unlocks that door. once she sits in teh drivers seat with the dongle nearby, it has a push-button start.



My car has a push button start, but no keyless entry/start, I have to push the button to open the car and put it in the socket to start the car. They provided keyless entry/start as an optional feature. I didn't get it because I didn't think it was worth it. Couple of months later, I try to lock my car using the FOB while I was inside the car, and it wouldn't let me. I was like "Cool. it won;t let me lock the key in". Then few minutes later I realized "Hey it knows I'm in the car. but it still requires me to put the key in the socket. Goddamn it I was fleeced" The car comes with keyless entry as a "standard" feature. They disable it in through software!
 
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As a former designer of electronic locks, unless you have a special needs like multi user audit capability or time delay, what you want is a good old mechanical lock. Trust me. If the key worries you, go with a mechanical combination lock.

But honestly the door lock isn't the weak point anyway. They would kick your door down or come in your window...
 
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Guillermo Ishi wrote: They would kick your door down or come in your window...


The window would require quite the ladder . Agreed on the door being the weak point. I thought about this originally for less motivated thieves.
 
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:
The window would require quite the ladder



That means your kids can sneak out but they can't sneak back in
 
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