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Switching to Windows 10

 
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I am currently running Windows 7 on my home PC and finding that it works very well. It is a 'mature' OS with hardly any serious issues, if at all.

As any Windows user knows, who hasn't switched to 10, they will have been bugged by a desktop popup, prompting them to switch, before the July 29 deadline for a free ugrade.

Recently this tactic has become more aggressive, with the message telling the user that they have been scheduled for a download and auto-installation on a certain date and time. Clearly Microsoft are desperate to get any many as possible running the latest version of Windows.

However the latest reports on BT.com (for example) tell of the Start Menu in Windows 10 freezing and the user having to apply a manual fix!.

Microsoft have furthermore not given any assurances that this problem/bug/botch-up has been cured in the latest release of Windows 10.

I have 2 sets of questions:

Reliability Issues
1. Is it worth switching now or better to wait until July in the hope that the bug that I described has been fixed?

Java on Windows 10
2. How is Java treated on Windows 10? Is it easy for example to open the equivalent of the Command Prompt window and enter DOS commands? How do Java Updates work (or not!) on 10?

I look forward to getting any comments or suggestions.

 
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My two cents worth.....unless you have a touchscreen, Windows 10 has nothing to offer. There are still a lot of programs and hardware that is not compatible. Stick with Windows 7 at least until the first service pack for 10 is released.

A little googling will find several methods for turning off those annoying messages and preventing the update from being forced on you.
 
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Stuart Lord wrote:
1. Is it worth switching now or better to wait until July in the hope that the bug that I described has been fixed?


If you wait until after July 29 then the upgrade will no longer be free; you'll have to pay.

I've never had the Start Menu freeze and I don't believe that this is a very common issue that many Windows 10 users are having, otherwise the whole Internet would be complaining about it and I haven't heard this anywhere.

Hundreds of millions of people have already switched to Windows 10 and it is not unstable or buggy.

Stuart Lord wrote:
2. How is Java treated on Windows 10? Is it easy for example to open the equivalent of the Command Prompt window and enter DOS commands? How do Java Updates work (or not!) on 10?


Works without any problems just as well as it does on Windows 7.

J. Kevin Robbins wrote:Stick with Windows 7 at least until the first service pack for 10 is released.


There will be no service packs for Windows 10. Microsoft is working on updates etc. and maybe once or twice a year a big update comes out. There was a big update in November 2015 which added new features, and a new big update is coming sometime this summer.
 
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Jesper de Jong wrote:
I've never had the Start Menu freeze and I don't believe that this is a very common issue that many Windows 10 users are having, otherwise the whole Internet would be complaining about it and I haven't heard this anywhere.


Google for it. It's very common.

I've seen this on a laptop at a dentist office that I support after the update was forced down. No Start menu at all, just a desktop. No way to rollback to Windows 7. Created a new user profile and got a Start menu but the printer wouldn't work (no driver for 10). Tried to reinstall the practice software only to be told by the vendor that their software doesn't yet support Windows 10.

User was forced to buy a retail copy of Windows 7 so I could restore the laptop.

And don't even get me started on the privacy issues with 10. I'll use 7 as long as possible then I'll switch to CentOS. Or a PowerBook.

 
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Kevin and Jesper

Thanks for your comments and thoughts. At this stage I'm inclined to be cautious and not upgrade - the Freezing Start Menu in 10 is for me a real show stopper and BT.com reported it recently (within the past week or so). Since that aspect of the interface is integral to any version of Windows, Microsoft will have to fix it, before I for one migrate my computer.

I could mention how Microsoft have an unfortunate habit of treating their customers (i.e. users) as the final testers of their new products. (e.g. Vista was half -tested when it was released). However that observation is stark, staring, obvious!

The following seems to offer some help

Windows 10 Start menu problem fix(?)

But I may decide, like one contributor to the discussions on this site, to wait until my PC dies, then buy an Apple instead..
 
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I upgraded to it when it first came out and it has never froze (that I can recall).
 
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I upgraded to Windows 10 a couple of months ago. I haven't had that start menu freezing problem, or any others really. However they downloaded an update which included something which wanted to run as a server on port 80 on my machine. It looked sort of like IIS, which I've never used or wanted, and it prevented my SVN server (which was already using port 80) from working correctly. Only took me about 15 minutes to figure out how to deal with that, though.
 
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Hi Paul & Fred

Thanks for your comments about this subject, which are interesting. In a nutshell, the issue is that Windows 10 is a freebie. With any free gift, there is no legally binding contract and hence no onus on the provider to do anything to fix it if problems come to light. Maybe after July, when people start to pay for 10, Microsoft will be a lot quicker to fix issues or else face court actions.

I am and have been sceptical of Microsoft's attitude to Open Source products. They appear to want to tie their usership down to their ways of doing things, which follows logically if they want to create a monopoly over computing software in general. In this vein, it is pretty certain that the reason why Java works on 10, is because it is the property of Oracle, who have the legal clout to take on Microsoft in the courts.

As for how many have migrated to 10, well this Windows 10 usage stats makes interesting reading, what would be even more interesting would be to see how many have reverted back to 7 or 8..

I look forward to further comments..
 
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Stuart Lord wrote:I am and have been sceptical of Microsoft's attitude to Open Source products. They appear to want to tie their usership down to their ways of doing things, which follows logically if they want to create a monopoly over computing software in general. In this vein, it is pretty certain that the reason why Java works on 10, is because it is the property of Oracle, who have the legal clout to take on Microsoft in the courts.



The other way to look at it is this: Java works on Windows 10 because it worked on Windows 8 and 7 and so on, and because Microsoft took great care to make sure that Windows 10 wouldn't break applications. Especially widely-used applications.

As for how many have migrated to 10, well this Windows 10 usage stats makes interesting reading, what would be even more interesting would be to see how many have reverted back to 7 or 8..



Of the 77% who aren't using Windows 10, there's a very large number who are still using Windows XP. That's a rational thing to do if you believe that updating your Microsoft operating system constitutes your acceptance of being tied down ever tighter, I suppose, but from most other points of view it is not a smart idea. And yes, it would be interesting to find out how many people have reverted their Windows 10 installation back to an earlier version. If you scour the web you can probably find somebody's blog entry in which they explain why they did that.

 
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Only change your old Win to Win 10
 
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Windows 10 is not worth as compare to Windows 7. 10 is more personalized like a smartphone. Windows 7 is best, so take your decision wisely.
 
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J. Kevin Robbins wrote:... Stick with Windows 7 at least until the first service pack for 10 is released. ...


The equivalent to the first service pack is scheduled for August 2nd - a few days past the last July 29th date where you can upgrade for no cost.

If you are concerned that migrating to Windows 10 might cause you pain, you could image what you are currently using to another drive before upgrading so that you can easily rollback if you encounter any issues.

For what it is worth - I have upgraded a number of systems from both Window 7 and Windows 8.1 (running Java 8, Eclipse, Tomcat, JBoss, MySQL, Postgresql, etc.) to Windows 10 and haven't had any problems.  Of course there is a risk associated with doing any upgrade, so don't make a decision based on my experience.
 
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