I'm here just to say "thank you" to:
1. Authors of HF Servlets & JSP (when will you guys publish a 3rd edition of this terrific book?! It would be an undisputed bestseller)
2. Enthuware team. It's hard to overemphasize your job, it's just amazing.
3. Piotr Nowicki. Your Servlet 3.0 questions helped me a lot.
Despite i had some previous experience with Servlets & JSP, everybody knows that "having some previous experience with" is just not enough to take an exam)).
Due to some reasons I had only four days for preparation, and i couldn't expect such a good score - all i was hoping about is to score enough to pass the exam.
The reasons i've passed (with a good score!) are listed above)) Thank you guys once again!
Last year you was searching a job as java junior developer. What about your success by this way? Did you find a job of your dream? Does your OCPJP certificate helps you on vacation interview?
I'm planning to search new job on future so far I'm interesting - are certificates really helpful...
OCAJP 7; OCPJP 7
posted 3 years ago
Thank you all)
@Alexandr, yes, thanks God i'm working as a software engineer)
I'm not sure if my experience would be useful for you, because i suspect it could be totally different depending on many factors - your location, age, background, previous experience etc.
My input data:
Location - St.Petersburg, Russia (big city with a big number of jobs for a java programmer)
Age at the moment of active job seeking - 32
background - engineer's degree in... metallurgy, not IT
previous documented experience in IT - none
i worked for a big company in audit field on a managerial position
I started my search immediately upon passing my OCPJP exam in the end of April. I hoped that my certificates will somehow "compensate" the lack of my programming experience for the potential employer, but i was wrong. I was spending plenty of time almost every day sending my CV to different companies, applying for jobs, writing messages on thematic forums... but i couldn't get even a single invitation to the interview! That was very frustrating, my certificates couldn't break the wall which name is "at least 1 year of experience in software development". Some people on forums adviced me to add some fake programming experience to my CV in order to get invitations, but i didn't want to start my career in a new field from lie.
In July (!) finally i got to the interview in a big software company, i was interviewed for an intern position. Despite questions were very easy for me (thanks to certification), i didn't receive an order. i don't know why - maybe i showed myself as a bit "overqualified" for this role, or, most likely, i was too old for it (taking into account the age of teamlead - about 25).
So i continued my search. There is another big company, which runs an educational project - "Java School". It offers a free 2 months coursce on Java EE, and students should develop a course project throughout this cource. At the end there is a showcase where you show your project to the company's project managers, and if they like what they see - you get the job! I applied for this "Java School" without any hopes and expectations. But, surprisingly, i received a test job which is a first of three tests! I succesfully submitted this test job and was invited to the second test which was almost the same as Oracle exam, but with only 10 questions)). I passed it and was invited to the final interview which i also passed successfully. Dream became closer! Then there were two months (November and December) of studying and developing my project, showcase in january, 2 more interviews with my future development team and management, and, finally, in February i received a job offer)) That's how i got the job.
Were certificates helpful? As documents - not really, nobody cares about them unless you have experience. But it definately helps to gain knowlege. If you could get to the interview - you'd be a 'Java Core Star') But there is one more thing - there are very few places where Java SE would be enough, you should be comfortable with Java EE and with some of widely spread web frameworks. Or start with some kind of "Java School" where only Java SE is required as i did.
I would like to emphasize once again that your experience could be totally different depending on your input data.
I think there were two many reasons why i didn't get many interviews:
2. Nobody could understand why i want to switch from my well payed managerial job in a big company and start all over again in a different field - i've been asked about it many times and i'm not sure that everybody understood my reasons))
Final thought: at least here in Russia certificates as documents couldn't give you a job, but if you have some experience, certificates are working as some kind of amplifier - now, when i have less than 1 year of experience, i receive new job proposals on my linkedin profile on regular basis.
Best of luck!
posted 3 years ago
Sergey, thank you for your detail answer.
I am from Moscow, 36 years old. My occupation is supporting Java Enterprise Application (internal enterprise information system of my company). “De-jure” I have four years of Java experience, but de-facto main part of time I do not in coding process but do lot of garbage work – type letters, insert data into system, help users to find buttons at dialog window or sleep at business meetings
My coding tasks at current job are not difficult, not interesting for me. My company is not in IT-sphere, so I have no perspectives as developer, that is why I think to change my job despite I am satisficed current salary.
OCAJP 7; OCPJP 7
posted 3 years ago
Stal Alexandr wrote:“De-jure” I have four years of Java experience
That means you will not have any problems with job seeking, you'll be a very good candidate for almost any HR. And exam you have passed definitely will help you to be in a good shape for interviews))
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