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In these days i had a bit of free time so i decide to give a partial order on my almost endless notes and from them  update two Wiki pages here with free material and link(in raw form because dunno why when used url tags that time not worked and had no patience to explore) the pages in Ranche's faq too.
The pages are   OO Design Books and Here You Will Find Links To Free Stuff
I found almost all of them texts worth a reading/study as far as i can remember; hope others can exploit them as well
Wish you all a good reading/study

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Harry Kar wrote:In these days i had a bit of free time so i decide to give a partial order on my almost endless notes and from them  update two Wiki pages here with free material and link(in raw form because dunno why when used url tags that time not worked and had no patience to explore) the pages in Ranche's faq too.
The pages are   OO Design Books and Here You Will Find Links To Free Stuff
I found almost all of them texts worth a reading/study as far as i can remember; hope others can exploit them as well
Wish you all a good reading/study

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Ok guys i decide to organize that thing  of Open Knowledge a bit more and want to know your opinions what i thought so far is:

1. Concentrate all that material in a place and pointer there from other site  pages at need
2. The place i thought has the structure of a hierarchical set of wiki pages linked appropriately together e.g. The top level container is a general categories Index with links to other wiki pages each represent a particular category (Java Language, OO, Design ecc) and so on
3. Here i suppose the effort of categorization have to be  not trivial  so collaboration is needed for sure
4. Is an on going(long term) process
5. Prioritization(if not exclusively) on open resources
6 Yes i know is a bit a redundant work(the source material exist in one or more places out there) but i guess is better have the direct link "in house from first hand"
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by #1, but "in a place" doesn't sound very wiki-ish. Wiki pages are an interconnected collection of pages, usually with a central starting point, and some degree of hierarchical organization of pages underneath it. From there on out it gets messy So I think #2 sounds good.

Wikis are collaborative, long-term efforts by their very nature, so I wouldn't worry about #3 and #4.
 
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Tim Moores wrote:I'm not quite sure what you mean by #1, but "in a place" doesn't sound very wiki-ish. Wiki pages are an interconnected collection of pages, usually with a central starting point, and some degree of hierarchical organization of pages underneath it. From there on out it gets messy .



In #1"in a=one place"   I meant have an initial index page(top level container) well addressed(the very start of the Library) in CodeRanch and from that depart the other wiki pages in an containment recursive hierarchy. Dunno if the wiki structure is the right one. I like more the git-Github organizational-collaborative structure
Thinking about it i guess is important define something before start implementing it (decide the hierarchy?!) here one have to know librarians stuff?! I feel something miss
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:Thank you


My Pleasure Ritchie ;)
 
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That sounds about right, but I think then I don't understand what the difference between #1 and #2 is supposed to be.

Thinking about it i guess is important define something before start implementing it (decide the hierarchy?!)


Keep in mind that there is already a sort of structure in place, and we would want to keep that. For example, many forums have an associated FAQ, like https://coderanch.com/wiki/660091/Java-Enterprise-Edition-FAQ. Some more specialized forums that have their own FAQs are linked from there, whereas other topics -that do not (yet) have their own page- have a place right on that page.

The practice of having many pages goes back to when the FAQ was run by actual wiki software, where creating (and linking to) pages was as easy writing PageAboutTopic - where the camel case would cause a link to be created which would then allow you to create and edit the page PageAboutTopic. Now this doesn't work any more, so new pages aren't created as much. There are also still mentions of the category concept, which is broken now (or maybe doesn't even exist any more).

A proper hierarchy pf pages should probably be rooted in the front page: https://coderanch.com/wiki/660165/Front-Page
 
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Tim Moores wrote:That sounds about right, but I think then I don't understand what the difference between #1 and #2 is supposed to be.



Sorry Tim i seems have casual connection problems here i wrote that version on my previous post but can't sent it .  here it is

Tim Moores wrote:I'm not quite sure what you mean by #1, but "in a place" doesn't sound very wiki-ish. Wiki pages are an interconnected collection of pages, usually with a central starting point, and some degree of hierarchical organization of pages underneath it. From there on out it gets messy .



You're right then my thought have to be inverted So In #1"in a=one place"   mean have an initial index page(top level container) well addressed(the very start of the Library) in CodeRanch and from that depart the other wiki pages in an containment recursive hierarchy. Still not sure if the wiki structure is the right one but on the paradigms i see around here uses wiki pages and other than normal thread pages and wikis i don't have seen other structures in forum or i missed something? . I like more the git-Github organizational-collaborative structure
Thinking about it i guess is important define something before start "implementing" it (decide the hierarchy?!) here one have to know librarians stuff?! I feel something miss

 
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Can i post mindmaps diagrams here (as Attachments i guess)?
are they visible to you like as referred in https://www.freeplane.org/wiki/index.php/Home? I question that because i can't cause the oldness of the system's Icetea(upon which depend Firefox) in my actual system
 
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How useful would mind maps be as part of an FAQ?
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:How useful would mind maps be as part of an FAQ?


no no mindmaps as part of a brainstorm or process of thinking not as part of a FAQ(anyway i guess there too was not bad in cases  1 image = 1000 words  ). I find that tool mostly useful than not in some cases.
In your browser(after you permit it run Java) can you see, navigate the maps in freeplane's site?
 
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Tim Moores wrote:...

Thinking about it i guess is important define something before start implementing it (decide the hierarchy?!)



Keep in mind that there is already a sort of structure in place, and we would want to keep that. For example, many forums have an associated FAQ, like https://coderanch.com/wiki/660091/Java-Enterprise-Edition-FAQ. Some more specialized forums that have their own FAQs are linked from there, whereas other topics -that do not (yet) have their own page- have a place right on that page.



good point    got it thanks

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A proper hierarchy of pages should probably be rooted in the front page: https://coderanch.com/wiki/660165/Front-Page


That's the root of all wiki pages? can you explain how one can find it?
 
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From the link Tim M supplied.
 
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It's also pinned at the top of the Wiki forum home page: https://coderanch.com/f/153/Wiki
 
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I think using mind maps to organize a wiki is overplanning it. The point of wikis is that it's easy to link from here to there, and also that it's easy to create new pages. If one wanted to add a new organizational layer, one could just start one, and link to and from it as one encountered pages for which it made sense.
 
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Tim Moores wrote:I think using mind maps to organize a wiki is overplanning it. The point of wikis is that it's easy to link from here to there, and also that it's easy to create new pages. If one wanted to add a new organizational layer, one could just start one, and link to and from it as one encountered pages for which it made sense.



Got the point. Anyway i mentioned the term "mindmaps"  only to show you all that we are discussed here trough sentences(because visual stand better) and not for introduce it in the library. But that gave me an idea (for now i take it for myself :P )

Question: How about an automa(tool) for an automatic link validation?
Since the content of those set of wiki pages( that implement the library) have to be mostly links  would be necessary/effective have an automatic link validator(e.g. dead links showed in red )
 
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Harry Kar wrote:How about an automa(tool) for an automatic link validation?


It's true, links go stale. There would be some value in having a tool that periodically checks links and produces a reports of dead links. That could be done outside of the forum software, though, by means of a good web scraping library like HtmlUnit. There aren't that many pages in the wiki forum, after all, so the burden on the server wouldn't be all that high.

Since the content of those set of wiki pages ( that implement the library) have to be mostly links


Have to be? No. We have many wiki pages that mostly consist of free form text, not links. While link collections can have value (we have a number of pages that are mostly that), that's not really what a wiki is chiefly about.
 
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Tim Moores wrote:

Harry Kar wrote:...

Since the content of those set of wiki pages ( that implement the library) have to be mostly links


Have to be? No. We have many wiki pages that mostly consist of free form text, not links. While link collections can have value (we have a number of pages that are mostly that), that's not really what a wiki is chiefly about.



Mmm so far i imagined the "wiki style" library as a  set of linked pages in the style of that one i was wrong?
As you can see every page consists of  link1<-> description1 ink2<-> description2 etc in other words consists of a series of links(apart short descriptions for every book so readers can take a first idea and decide if feets or not their needs before the download or the change page(in case is an HTML book) activity)

Now we're at a conceptual model level so let's take the trip
1. the library(imagine it as a set of hierarchical pointers-links-references) needs a first page(represent the widest book category -in order to understand each other something like the Object class for objects-) from where depart all other pages(subcategories) hierarchicaly

2.every subcategory contain external(to Internet) links to open books for that subcategory plus utility pointers(have to point in internal wiki page addresses) to backward, forward, parent category  

3. and so on recursively  

I do an interruption here about the suitability of the wiki model for that job
How about the security aspect?
If wiki is so cool under the collaborative aspect permit everyone with good intentions to collaborate on the other hand what about the bad guys?
It's important the stuff in pages collectivized and organized with sweat and labor from one or more of us persist in time and  not be eliminated with a simple mouse click from some problematic user here.
The wiki here is versioned - backuped just against those eventualities?
For example in the Githoub model(EbookFoundation/free-programming-books) any person  in a role of a Collaborator propose say a book and can do anything want in his/her local repository but the final decision about integration of the local master branch into the central upstream/master branch(rendered from the public) is made by another one  (that time bona-fide) person in the role  of  Integrator. Really  before that control Exist the Travis control(like a compiler in source code you have to meet some standards about formatting etc).  
 
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Harry Kar wrote:so far i imagined the "wiki style" library as a  set of linked pages in the style of that one i was wrong?


There are lots of different types of wiki pages. Book reviews, tutorial pages, code examples, forum help, link collections, programming introductions etc.

If wiki is so cool under the collaborative aspect permit everyone with good intentions to collaborate on the other hand what about the bad guys? It's important the stuff in pages collectivized and organized with sweat and labor from one or more of us persist in time and  not be eliminated with a simple mouse click from some problematic user here.


It's not. Firstly, the full revision history is available, so all changes can be undone. Secondly, all changes are made by authenticated users - if there's vandalism, we know who did it. Repeat offenders will be shot :-)
 
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Tim Moores wrote:

Harry Kar wrote:so far i imagined the "wiki style" library as a  set of linked pages in the style of that one i was wrong?


There are lots of different types of wiki pages. Book reviews, tutorial pages, code examples, forum help, link collections, programming introductions etc.



In coderanch i feel a bit lost. Or is really very big or is not well designed or am i ;
for example where's the index of  the site? i not refer to that one e.g. how can i see visually the structure of wiki pages with all their connections? all i see here is a list of piled "posts"-links  whereas i would see a three or graph or something similar(like the structure of a hierachical file system) in which i click in alink in the hierarchy and transferred there etc  

If wiki is so cool under the collaborative aspect permit everyone with good intentions to collaborate on the other hand what about the bad guys? It's important the stuff in pages collectivized and organized with sweat and labor from one or more of us persist in time and  not be eliminated with a simple mouse click from some problematic user here.


It's not. Firstly, the full revision history is available, so all changes can be undone. Secondly, all changes are made by authenticated users - if there's vandalism, we know who did it. Repeat offenders will be shot :-)


That's good news
 
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An advise on use BB Vs plain HTML code in the page?
In case what HTML(by the way CSS is supported too?) dialect is supported here?

PS : some day go i created a wiki page (intended to be the library's index page-parent of all pages- ) i can't see the edit button but only the quote and share what happens?
 
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Harry Kar wrote:In coderanch i feel a bit lost. Or is really very big or is not well designed or am i ;
for example where's the index of  the site? i not refer to that one e.g. how can i see visually the structure of wiki pages with all their connections? all i see here is a list of piled "posts"-links  whereas i would see a three or graph or something similar(like the structure of a hierachical file system) in which i click in alink in the hierarchy and transferred there etc


As I said earlier, the entry page of the wiki is https://coderanch.com/wiki/660165/Front-Page. Any major sections should be linked from there. So if you were thinking of creating a few overview pages, that's where they should be linked from.

In the past (when the wiki section was still running on actual wiki software), there was a category mechanism for organizing pages (you can still find the remnants of that all over the place). This broke when the pages were transitioned to be forum topics, and nobody has put a replacement in place since then. Any new structuring effort could usefully start from that.

An advise on use BB Vs plain HTML code in the page?


BB tags

PS: some day go i created a wiki page (intended to be the library's index page-parent of all pages- ) i can't see the edit button but only the quote and share what happens?


That page was created as a regular forum topic, not a wiki topic. When creating a wiki topic, you need to set the respective option in the "Wiki" section underneath the content field. If that page is intended as a starting point into the wiki, it's better to put the relevant content into https://coderanch.com/wiki/660165/Front-Page
 
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Tim Moores wrote:

Harry Kar wrote:In coderanch i feel a bit lost. Or is really very big or is not well designed or am i ;
for example where's the index of  the site? i not refer to that one e.g. how can i see visually the structure of wiki pages with all their connections? all i see here is a list of piled "posts"-links  whereas i would see a three or graph or something similar(like the structure of a hierachical file system) in which i click in alink in the hierarchy and transferred there etc


As I said earlier, the entry page of the wiki is https://coderanch.com/wiki/660165/Front-Page. Any major sections should be linked from there. So if you were thinking of creating a few overview pages, that's where they should be linked from.



Ok i got that

In the past (when the wiki section was still running on actual wiki software), there was a category mechanism for organizing pages (you can still find the remnants of that all over the place). This broke when the pages were transitioned to be forum topics, and nobody has put a replacement in place since then. Any new structuring effort could usefully start from that.



So no visual structure for the  wiki (and site too) right? Maybe is that the reason i have that "lost"/"no control" sensation . How can you find pages there? have to remember a topic and use search?  

An advise on use BB Vs plain HTML code in the page?


BB tags



ok

PS: some day go i created a wiki page (intended to be the library's index page-parent of all pages- ) i can't see the edit button but only the quote and share what happens?


That page was created as a regular forum topic, not a wiki topic. When creating a wiki topic, you need to set the respective option in the "Wiki" section underneath the content field. If that page is intended as a starting point into the wiki, it's better to put the relevant content into https://coderanch.com/wiki/660165/Front-Page



What is the semantic of the 3 options?
This is not a wiki page
This is a Wiki page that does not accept comments
This is a Wiki page that accepts comments
 
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Harry Kar wrote:How can you find pages there? have to remember a topic and use search?


There are links to various wiki pages all over the place, but there is no full index - which, I'm guessing, may be the reason why you're interested in creating one.

What is the semantic of the 3 options?
This is not a wiki page
This is a Wiki page that does not accept comments
This is a Wiki page that accepts comments


Want to take a guess? :-)
 
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Tim Moores wrote:

Harry Kar wrote:How can you find pages there? have to remember a topic and use search?


There are links to various wiki pages all over the place, but there is no full index - which, I'm guessing, may be the reason why you're interested in creating one.


You got it ;)
Actually in first place Im on my way about the Open Knowledge organization (sub)Wiki(find valuable content in an almost endless list of notes taken over time + categorization seems not a trivial work but we will see meanwhile i start that "project" as usual with little by little) and in the mid or long term likely for what you had guessing


What is the semantic of the 3 options?
This is not a wiki page
This is a Wiki page that does not accept comments
This is a Wiki page that accepts comments


Want to take a guess? :-)


Sorry the silliness the very reason for that question is i don't see a delete button out there. I hate do garbage things dangling around :P (by the way my earlier erratic created page can easily be deleted for who ha rights) . I go for the 2nd option hope be the right one
 
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Two questions
1. Is here a connection with Git? mean the server provides a repo so one can use Git to update a page(e.g. GitHub)?
2. One wiki page can be generated automatically with a min number of (browsing management) links --or a mechanism to go forward, backward up was enough-- ?  
 
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1. Is here a connection with Git? mean the server provides a repo so one can use Git to update a page(e.g. GitHub)?


No

2. One wiki page can be generated automatically with a min number of (browsing management) links --or a mechanism to go forward, backward up was enough-- ?  


I don't understand what you're asking - can you rephrase it?
 
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Tim Moores wrote:...

2. One wiki page can be generated automatically with a min number of (browsing management) links --or a mechanism to go forward, backward up was enough-- ?  


I don't understand what you're asking - can you rephrase it?



I thought was good every library's created wiki page have 3 links for the page's  management (linking)  so i wonder if was possible(in some manner also programmaticaly ) generate a page with that template almost for the library's subset wiki pages

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PS : By the way something is changed in coderanch? chars are too small
 
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Where would those links take you? There's nothing wrong with putting links on wiki pages that help navigation. I don't think we'd change the software to know anything about them unless there was a very good reason to do that, though.

Please note that the BB URL tag in your signature is broken.
 
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Tim Moores wrote:Where would those links take you? There's nothing wrong with putting links on wiki pages that help navigation. I don't think we'd change the software to know anything about them unless there was a very good reason to do that, though.



let's take as example  Here You Will Find Links To Free Stuff there is a link OO Design Books ok?
What i proposed earlier is : immagine every page with 3 arrows(linking other pages-categories)   "<--           upArrow       -->" imagine also near each arrow a text reference(title of the  pointed page)   now is a bit clearer?

The structure of pages
General Index
//set of general categories  
genCategory1 --------------------------->  subCategory1 ---------------------------->  subSubCategory1--------------------> etc as needed  
genCategory2  --------------------------->  subCategory2
 

Please note that the BB URL tag in your signature is broken.



I correct it thanks

[update] links in sign not work?
[update+] resolved

PS:
OT: What's that ?

You are currently on the old view. Why not go back to the current view.

 which current view is a link
 
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about the OT in my previous mess
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:How useful would mind maps be as part of an FAQ?



I think that would be a really interesting thing to try it out. Users will have a new experience of going through the FAQs. might be a win.
 
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