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Moderator note: This thread was split off from here https://coderanch.com/t/730592/java/filters - quote added for context

John Ken wrote:i am still confused where to fit Piet Souris's updated code in my code so that i could achieve desired results??



Here, too, I give up. The lack of initiative is disheartening to anyone trying to help.
 
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Tim Moores wrote:Here, too, I give up. The lack of initiative is disheartening to anyone trying to help.



you better give up from this forum itself as so far i hardly have found you to be useful in any technical assistance.

initiave i already took but when someone is trying to assist than rather than helping in between you always try to end my post ..be it any topic.

 
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John, you give such suggestions to people, who were ready to help you. Apparently they offer to spend their time and knowledge for free so could help some stranger.

Now, I hardly can imagine who'd wish to try to help you and not risk to get the same suggestion.

Tim is a senior member on these boards and one of most reputables actually, who demonstrate wide range of knowledge and helpfulness.
 
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John Ken wrote:i am still confused where to fit Piet Souris's updated code in my code so that i could achieve desired results??


John, the reason a response like this is disheartening to people who spend time trying to help is that it gives the impression that you're just waiting around for answers and expect to be spoon-fed complete working solutions. People who help out on this site don't feel that spoon-feeding solutions is a good way of helping people learn, at least not until they show a great deal of effort and struggle to understand.

A reply that shows initiative and effort on your part would include a description of what you understood from someone's reply and some new code that reflects how you think your new understanding can be applied to the problem. Your reply lacks both these elements.

An ideal reply from you would be something like this:

Ok, let me see if I understand what you're saying here:

Piet wrote:whatever Piet wrote that you're trying to understand


I think this means that blah, blah, blah -- explain in your own words what you understood from Piet's response

So if I apply that idea to what I did, I should do something like this:

I tried to run this but I'm still not getting what I expected which is give a good, detailed example of what you expected. Instead I got this:

copy-paste the actual results you got

What am I missing? Thanks for you patience and assistance.
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This kind of response will go a long way in this community and you're more likely to get help this way.
 
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see,everybody has it's respect so we should not be biased towards someone specific.

however what ever all above is suggested is already followed despite that i needed to create a sort of 3rd topic in same series 'HTML form and PHP V2' i kept on answering touher technical questions and wasted 2-3 months despite that today no expert came forward for resolving this issue and finally everyone is blaming me only.
 
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Nobody here is obligated to give you a solution. I'm sure many of us here could resolve the issue but that's not how we operate here. We try to help people help themselves. If you think that's not helpful there are other sites where you can find people who will do your work for you.
 
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John Ken wrote:i kept on answering touher technical questions


The questions we asked of you could hardly have been more basic. You were in no position to tackle more involved problems (like the one you originally asked about)

and wasted 2-3 months.


In that time you could have learned PHP on your own, as we suggested repeatedly, if you had worked through some book or online tutorials. But somehow your learning strategy seems to have consisted only of asking questions here and googling for what you didn't understand. That's a very unstructured way of learning, and I doubt you can pick up a programming language that way quickly (as was your goal).
 
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Tim Moores wrote:. . . googling for what you didn't understand. . .  unstructured way of learning . . .

You also don't know whether what you find on a web search is good or bad.
 
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that is why i am here to seek experts guidance,so that experts could quickly help me to solve as well as learn php related similar problems.
 
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John Ken wrote:that is why i am here to seek experts guidance,so that experts could quickly help me to solve as well as learn php related similar problems.


from what I can tell, people are trying to give you guidance.  that is not the same as telling you the answer.  There are other websites that lean mor in that direction.  Also, we're not trying to help you solve your problem, quickly or not. We are trying to teach you how to think like a programmer.

I see you asked for help. I see Piet gave you advice, but i see no effort on your part to TRY the advice given.  So, TRY it.  put it where you think it belongs.  run it.  if it works, GREAT!! CONGRATULATIONS!!!

If it doesn't work, then you can post your new code, explain why you did what you did, what you think should have happened, and what did happen that was different.
 
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fred rosenberger wrote:think like a programmer


@OP, it just reminded me.

The book I read during my early studies days. It influenced me in a good way the way I think about programming. You may want to pick up a copy and you might would find it useful too. It is really just trying to deploy in your mind a simple technique how to solve any programming problems you may face, whether it big complex and complicated, or fairly small and simple problem. All of them get solved in a similar manner. Pretty much in the same way as guys were suggesting you in your threads.

(please find attached book pic)
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