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Oracle announces new Java OCP 11 1Z0-819 Exam!

 
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As of today, Oracle is retiring the 1Z0-815 and 1Z0-816 exams.  In its place, they have a combined 1Z0-819 exam.

I'm sure there's going to be a lot of questions, but for now Jeanne and I have published a blog post covering some of the details of the changes:

   https://www.selikoff.net/2020/08/26/dont-panic-oracle-announces-new-java-ocp-11-exam/

Our books are still appropriate for the new exam, although if you already took the 1Z0-815, you have limited time to take the 1Z0-816 exam!
 
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I'm studying for 1Z0-816 and plan to take the exam in the next two months. I have already passed 1Z0-815. How does it affect me? Does it mean that I can no longer take 1Z0-816 if I plan to do so after September 2020?
 
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Edmund Yong wrote:I'm studying for 1Z0-816 and plan to take the exam in the next two months. I have already passed 1Z0-815. How does it affect me? Does it mean that I can no longer take 1Z0-816 if I plan to do so after September 2020?



First off, congratulations on passing the 1Z0-815 exam!  It's a tough exam!  Based on Oracle's announcement, you have until the end of September to take and pass the 1Z0-816 exam.  After that time, you would have to take the 1Z0-819 exam to become certified.  In this manner, you only need one exam, the 1Z0-816 or the 1Z0-819, to become certified.

If you're feeling frustrated, we completely understand.  We're working on rewriting the Java 11 Practice Test book to conform to the new exam as we speak.  It's caused to change a lot of things we had planned.

 
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But this is very unfair to those in the midst of preparing for 816. If I can take just one exam for a lower cost, why would I take two exams? And now that I have already passed 815, why should I take 819, which covers objectives that I had already passed in 815?

If they want to retire certain exams, they should consider those of us who are already preparing and planning for them. A grace period of say 6 months to a year would be more appropriate, for people like me to clear those to be retired exams. Since you and Jeanne worked with Oracle on the new exam, couldn't you feedback to Oracle about the situations of people like me?
 
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Edmund Yong wrote:But this is very unfair to those in the midst of preparing for 816. If I can take just one exam for a lower cost, why would I take two exams? And now that I have already passed 815, why should I take 819, which covers objectives that I had already passed in 815?

If they want to retire certain exams, they should consider those of us who are already preparing and planning for them. A grace period of say 6 months to a year would be more appropriate, for people like me to clear those to be retired exams. Since you and Jeanne worked with Oracle on the new exam, couldn't you feedback to Oracle about the situations of people like me?



I sympathize with you completely.  I suggested the exams be expired at the end of the year because of someone in your exact situation, but the decision had already been made.
 
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Hi everyone,

I'm 16 years old and I'm studying for 1z0 for 3 almost 4 months,cause it's my dream to have the jse and jee certificate.However, oracle changed for 1z0 819 and now, I don't know if I do 1z0 815 and then 1z0 819 or, If I only do the 1z0 819.

What do you think🤔?I'm very anxious!!😶😣
 
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Nicholas Barbosa wrote:Hi everyone,

I'm 16 years old and I'm studying for 1z0 for 3 almost 4 months,cause it's my dream to have the jse and jee certificate.However, oracle changed for 1z0 819 and now, I don't know if I do 1z0 815 and then 1z0 819 or, If I only do the 1z0 819.

What do you think🤔?I'm very anxious!!😶😣



You only need to take the 1Z0-819 exam, not the 1Z0-815 and 1Z0-819 exam.  That said, the bulk of the material you should be studying for the 1Z0-819 exam is the same as it was before.
 
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Scott Selikoff wrote:

Edmund Yong wrote:But this is very unfair to those in the midst of preparing for 816. If I can take just one exam for a lower cost, why would I take two exams? And now that I have already passed 815, why should I take 819, which covers objectives that I had already passed in 815?

If they want to retire certain exams, they should consider those of us who are already preparing and planning for them. A grace period of say 6 months to a year would be more appropriate, for people like me to clear those to be retired exams. Since you and Jeanne worked with Oracle on the new exam, couldn't you feedback to Oracle about the situations of people like me?



I sympathize with you completely.  I suggested the exams be expired at the end of the year because of someone in your exact situation, but the decision had already been made.



So, what's the best way to let these decision makers know that we aren't happy with their decision and we would really prefer that they reconsider? (I'm coming from 808 by the way.)
 
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Scott Selikoff wrote:

Edmund Yong wrote:But this is very unfair to those in the midst of preparing for 816. If I can take just one exam for a lower cost, why would I take two exams? And now that I have already passed 815, why should I take 819, which covers objectives that I had already passed in 815?

If they want to retire certain exams, they should consider those of us who are already preparing and planning for them. A grace period of say 6 months to a year would be more appropriate, for people like me to clear those to be retired exams. Since you and Jeanne worked with Oracle on the new exam, couldn't you feedback to Oracle about the situations of people like me?



I sympathize with you completely.  I suggested the exams be expired at the end of the year because of someone in your exact situation, but the decision had already been made.



So, what's the best way to let these decision makers know that we aren't happy with their decision and we would really prefer that they reconsider? (I'm coming from 808 by the way.)



I really hope that they reconsider or keep the 1z0 816 until the end of the year.
 
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When will the 1Z0-819 be available to take the exam?
 
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Oracle shouldn't even come up with this 819 exam. It's just unfair to those preparing for 815 and 816. It's also unfair to those who already received the certification. We have to spend more than USD600 for both 815 and 816, and both exams take 6 hours to complete. For 819, it's just the cost of one exam and it's only 1.5 hours. It's like a university deciding to shorten their 4 years degree program to 1 year, with the tuition fee halved, and yet getting the same degree as those who did the 4 years programme.
 
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Edmund Yong wrote:Oracle shouldn't even come up with this 819 exam. It's just unfair to those preparing for 815 and 816. It's also unfair to those who already received the certification. We have to spend more than USD600 for both 815 and 816, and both exams take 6 hours to complete. For 819, it's just the cost of one exam and it's only 1.5 hours. It's like a university deciding to shorten their 4 years degree program to 1 year, with the tuition fee halved, and yet getting the same degree as those who did the 4 years programme.


True.
Moreover, many candidates have their exam vouchers expiring by Dec 2020. Many have planned to take 816 exam after or during the holidays. It will be very tough for them to advance their 816 exam by 2 months or to prepare for the new 819 exam within 2 months.
Hope that they reconsider the retiring date of 816.
 
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I have scheduled to take the 1z0-815 on August 31st... There is no way I can take the 1z0-816 within a month. I need to cancel this appointment real quick.
 
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Nicholas Barbosa wrote:Hi everyone,

I'm 16 years old and I'm studying for 1z0 for 3 almost 4 months,cause it's my dream to have the jse and jee certificate.However, oracle changed for 1z0 819 and now, I don't know if I do 1z0 815 and then 1z0 819 or, If I only do the 1z0 819.

What do you think🤔?I'm very anxious!!😶😣



Hi Nicholas,

I don't see any reason why you might need to take 1Z0-815 and then 1Z0-819. IMHO, proceed to 1Z0-819 exam directly.

Best regards,
MZ
 
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What's the reason to keep 1Z0-817 exam, when candidate can simply do new 1Z0-819 one?
 
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Viacheslav Yakovenko wrote:What's the reason to keep 1Z0-817 exam, when candidate can simply do new 1Z0-819 one?


1Z0-817 is substantially easier than 816 (and 819, I am guessing). That's an incentive for people who already have OCP 8 to acquire OCP 11. cha-ching
 
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Oh my God, I was scheduled to take the 1Z0-815 exam tomorrow! My test center had to cancel, I don't know if I should be happy because I didn't waste my exam voucher or really frustrated because I've spent my last months studying for nothing...

I have really mixed feelings right now...
 
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Adrian,
The 819 is cumulative. You still need to know the material on the 815. (Well except for the very easiest stuff, but I bet you didn't spend a long time deciding it was platform independent)

Charles,
I think the decision was already made. That said, the way to reach Oracle is through Certification Support
 
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Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Adrian,
The 819 is cumulative. You still need to know the material on the 815. (Well except for the very easiest stuff, but I bet you didn't spend a long time deciding it was platform independent)



Well, it is what it is I guess. I know half the stuff needed to pass 1Z0-819, that's the good news. I'll skip 1Z0-815 because there's no way to get fully certified until 1st of October and just fully focus on the new exam. Are you guys planning to release a whole new study guide for 1Z0-819 or are we good with the ones for 1Z0-815 and 1Z0-816?
 
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Adrian Pop wrote:

Jeanne Boyarsky wrote:Adrian,
The 819 is cumulative. You still need to know the material on the 815. (Well except for the very easiest stuff, but I bet you didn't spend a long time deciding it was platform independent)



Well, it is what it is I guess. I know half the stuff needed to pass 1Z0-819! Are you guys planning to release a whole new study guide for 1Z0-819 or are we good with the ones for 1Z0-815 and 1Z0-816?



Since the material is so similar, there’s no need.  The new exam is equivalent (save a few minor topics) to our CSG or combined book 1/2.  We do have a practice test book coming out soon that will use the new exam information.
 
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I admit I don't see the point.

The first level exam tested some fairly basic (but absolutely essential) stuff about the core language, the nature of OO, and the like. I always felt it was "entry level" (for a professional programmer) and served a strong , valuable, purpose of distinguishing between two groups with little tangible work experience. One group who had made a solid effort to build their skill and knowledge base, and the other group those who had not made that effort and just figured they'd wing it and try to learn on the job.

The second level exam, by contrast, covers a frankly huge spread of advanced topics, many of which are entirely unknown to many quite experienced programmers working in industry. It was a way to set your five-plus year experienced self apart from those who had merely done the work asked of them, but not expanded their horizons beyond that.

But to do *both* at the same time??? What is that supposed to mean "I'm a relative beginner with a knowledge spread across years of advanced topics"? I don't get it, either the basic stuff is pointless, or the coverage of the advanced topics is little more than marketing-buzzword-level.

I fear that they might have just made the people who complain that "certification is pointless" have a stronger case (but only in respect of this particular exam--I still firmly believe that the effort put into preparing, and the demonstration that you're willing to be measured by someone else's standards, speaks volumes to the personal and professional qualities of the individual, as well as--obviously--improving skill sets.)

Actually, I suspect I do see the point. I think the reality might have been that very few bothered to take the second level exam anyway, and they wanted to force people's hands. That doesn't seem like a good reason, but does seem typical of Oracle's behavior in general.

Ah well, just my rambling opinion. I'll be interested to see how this plays out, but I'm not impressed at this point, Perhaps the ongoing discussion in this thread, or actually seeing the exam, will create a better feeling.

 
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Can you please clarify this statement?

The breadth of material does have an advantage: if you don’t do well on one topic, it is likely to be less points on the exam.



Did you mean that
1. the breadth of material has an advantage over test takers
or
2. test takers have an advantage because of the breadth of material?
 
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Dimitri Nguyen wrote:Can you please clarify this statement?

The breadth of material does have an advantage: if you don’t do well on one topic, it is likely to be less points on the exam.



I expect this means that with only 80 questions, you're not going to get many questions on any one topic, so if, you--for example--blow off learning concurrency entirely, you still have 79 questions you can hope to get right. In other words, learning some of the topics well could be sufficient.

I think this plays to my concern that this much coverage might simply result in so little testing as to prove very little.
 
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Adrian Pop wrote:Oh my God, I was scheduled to take the 1Z0-815 exam tomorrow! My test center had to cancel, I don't know if I should be happy because I didn't waste my exam voucher or really frustrated because I've spent my last months studying for nothing...

I have really mixed feelings right now...



Im in the same scenario as you. I have been studying for almost 4 mounths to take the exam and now, oracle decides to change its exams.

Of course the exam is cumulative, but they messed with many people's schedules.

Oracle could keep the 1Z0-815 and 1Z0-816 at least until the end of that year.
 
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Toby Eggitt wrote:I admit I don't see the point.

The first level exam tested some fairly basic (but absolutely essential) stuff about the core language, the nature of OO, and the like. I always felt it was "entry level" (for a professional programmer) and served a strong , valuable, purpose of distinguishing between two groups with little tangible work experience. One group who had made a solid effort to build their skill and knowledge base, and the other group those who had not made that effort and just figured they'd wing it and try to learn on the job.

The second level exam, by contrast, covers a frankly huge spread of advanced topics, many of which are entirely unknown to many quite experienced programmers working in industry. It was a way to set your five-plus year experienced self apart from those who had merely done the work asked of them, but not expanded their horizons beyond that.

But to do *both* at the same time??? What is that supposed to mean "I'm a relative beginner with a knowledge spread across years of advanced topics"? I don't get it, either the basic stuff is pointless, or the coverage of the advanced topics is little more than marketing-buzzword-level.

I fear that they might have just made the people who complain that "certification is pointless" have a stronger case (but only in respect of this particular exam--I still firmly believe that the effort put into preparing, and the demonstration that you're willing to be measured by someone else's standards, speaks volumes to the personal and professional qualities of the individual, as well as--obviously--improving skill sets.)

Actually, I suspect I do see the point. I think the reality might have been that very few bothered to take the second level exam anyway, and they wanted to force people's hands. That doesn't seem like a good reason, but does seem typical of Oracle's behavior in general.

Ah well, just my rambling opinion. I'll be interested to see how this plays out, but I'm not impressed at this point, Perhaps the ongoing discussion in this thread, or actually seeing the exam, will create a better feeling.



I somewhat agree with you here. I was prepping for the Microsoft MCSA: Web Applications, only to realize mid-way that they are retiring the certification in about a year(but at least they gave like one year grace period, unlike Oracle's move here; I really feel bad for people who passed the 1z0-815 but is not ready to take the 1z0-816 within a month from now).

Certs aren't worthless, but they are only as worthy as long as the company that certifies it keep it up to industry standard. Other valuable certs do come to mind such as A+, Linux+, Network+, Red Hat certs, Cisco certs, AWS certs. You probably realized that the certs I just mentioned are almost all operations/infrastructure certs but not development certs.

Oracle might have a point in removing the 1z0-815 though. From the feedback that I received from other developers, it mainly tests the things that the compiler already know, which is almost pointless since Java has compile-time checking. This knowledge only makes sense if you are writing a java compiler. I lucked out because I just bought my voucher a week ago, and found out about this news only 4 days before my scheduled appointment to take the 1z0-815. Since I bought both books for 1z0-815 and 1z0-816 from Jean/Scott as well as the Enthuware mock tests, I might as well go through with this new 1z0-819. One thing for sure though is that Oracle's reputation is forever tainted for me.
 
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After selecting one of the topics from Oracle Certification Program (OCP) Support Help available from https://education.oracle.com/OUcontactUs, I was able to fill out a more relevant to this discussion and formal Online Support request form.  Perhaps Oracle needs to see ALL YOUR REQUESTS to began to reconsider an extension of the 1Z0-815 and 1Z0-816 retirement dates.  
 
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Dimitri Nguyen wrote:

Oracle might have a point in removing the 1z0-815 though. From the feedback that I received from other developers, it mainly tests the things that the compiler already know, which is almost pointless since Java has compile-time checking. This knowledge only makes sense if you are writing a java compiler.



I know that's a common perspective, but it's not one I agree with. Sure, "in the field" the compiler will tell you what you did wrong, but the point is that if you *understand* the language, you can work this out from first principles. And it's the *understanding* that matters. Many a nasty trap, and a lot of wasted time, results from not really understanding what's going on, and just fiddling with it until it compiles.  Indeed,  when people make that complaint, for me it tells me something about them ;)

But again, just one opinion in a big ol' pot.

 
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Toby Eggitt wrote:I admit I don't see the point.

The first level exam tested
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or actually seeing the exam, will create a better feeling.


Very well put. Two different level of certifications (OCA and OCP), which was the approach taken with the Java 8 certs, was way better than the one they adopted for 815/816. They got rid of the OCA certification for Java 11 because people didn't want to take OCP certification after acquiring OCA cert! But that doesn't make sense. There will always be people who want to put extra effort in learning new stuff and those who don't want to. There are people (some of whom are good Java programmers too) who don't even take the OCA certification! What are you going to do about that?

Single exam approach adopted with 1Z0-819 makes no sense either because, feature wise, Java has gotten really huge. You can't expect an entry level programmer to master advanced topics such as concurrency and streams.
 
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Dimitri Nguyen wrote:
Oracle might have a point in removing the 1z0-815 though. From the feedback that I received from other developers, it mainly tests the things that the compiler already know, which is almost pointless since Java has compile-time checking.


That is not correct, IMHO. There are some such things on the exam but only some (API questions, for example). Also, knowing why the IDE red lines a line of code is also important.
 
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Toby Eggitt wrote:

Dimitri Nguyen wrote:

Oracle might have a point in removing the 1z0-815 though. From the feedback that I received from other developers, it mainly tests the things that the compiler already know, which is almost pointless since Java has compile-time checking. This knowledge only makes sense if you are writing a java compiler.



I know that's a common perspective, but it's not one I agree with. Sure, "in the field" the compiler will tell you what you did wrong, but the point is that if you *understand* the language, you can work this out from first principles. And it's the *understanding* that matters. Many a nasty trap, and a lot of wasted time, results from not really understanding what's going on, and just fiddling with it until it compiles.  Indeed,  when people make that complaint, for me it tells me something about them ;)

But again, just one opinion in a big ol' pot.



Yeah those things that java does implicitly can be confusing and time-consuming to debug for sure. I'm not a dev, and I was quoting what other devs said to me. I guess I won't find out how much the prep for 1z0-815 distinguishes me from a dev who did not prep for such topics until I actually get a job.
 
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Hi, I'm currently preparing to take the 1Z0-817 exam using Scott's and Jeane's OCP exam study guide (the one that combines 816 and 817 exam prep material)
Since the 816 exam is being cancelled, am I also in danger or the 817 exam still continues?
PS.: I'm from an older version of the OCP hence the upgrade.
 
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Slindile Dube wrote:Hi, I'm currently preparing to take the 1Z0-817 exam using Scott's and Jeane's OCP exam study guide (the one that combines 816 and 817 exam prep material)
Since the 816 exam is being cancelled, am I also in danger or the 817 exam still continues?
PS.: I'm from an older version of the OCP hence the upgrade.



As far as I know, Oracle has no plans at this time to cancel the 1Z0-817, so you're safe.  They only retired the 815/816 exams.
 
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Scott Selikoff wrote:

Slindile Dube wrote:Hi, I'm currently preparing to take the 1Z0-817 exam using Scott's and Jeane's OCP exam study guide (the one that combines 816 and 817 exam prep material)
Since the 816 exam is being cancelled, am I also in danger or the 817 exam still continues?
PS.: I'm from an older version of the OCP hence the upgrade.



As far as I know, Oracle has no plans at this time to cancel the 1Z0-817, so you're safe.  They only retired the 815/816 exams.




Thank you Scott
 
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I was preparing for 1Z0-815. Now got to know 1Z0-815 & 1Z0-816 merged together into 1Z0-819. I welcome this decision of Oracle because after giving 1Z0-815, I could have definitely gone lazy to give 1Z0-816. Now I will be forced to learn whole core till advanced java.
Secondly, the cost of the fee is reduced and its really useful for students like me. Who is not working and have to pay fee on their own pocket. But yes 90 minutes, that means time management needs to be worked strongly.

All the best to everyone and also to me for 1Z0-819

 
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Pooja Kaul wrote:I was preparing for 1Z0-815. Now got to know 1Z0-815 & 1Z0-816 merged together into 1Z0-819. I welcome this decision of Oracle because after giving 1Z0-815, I could have definitely gone lazy to give 1Z0-816. Now I will be forced to learn whole core till advanced java.
Secondly, the cost of the fee is reduced and its really useful for students like me. Who is not working and have to pay fee on their own pocket. But yes 90 minutes, that means time management needs to be worked strongly.

All the best to everyone and also to me for 1Z0-819



Yes, I agree here. Even though I had an appointment for 1Z0-815 I am quite pleased now with the fact that I have to take a single exam now instead of two. I was going to take the 1Z0-816 anyway (next year). Yeah, this stuff delays the exam with a few months because now I have to study for the second part, but I am quite optimistic. I am somewhat lucky because I work with some of these concepts on a daily basis so it should be easier to study for those. I'll get Scott and Jeanne's book for 1Z0-816 and get cracking!
 
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Hi Scott,

Thanks for sharing this. I am a bit lost what to do now.

I have my OCA 8 and my plan was to get the 816 exam. Now I am in doubt with 2 options:

- study hard and take 816 before October
- wait and take 819 when it arrives

For 816 I can focus on the harder study material. But will passing the 816 be considered less valuable than passing 819?

What is your advise on this matter?

Thanks,
Jos

 
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If you're going to put the effort into prepping for 816, then unless you've forgotten what you knew for OCA8, or have failed to round out your understanding of lambdas in the meantime, you should be ready for 819. It looks like they just squeezed the bulk of 816 and some of 815 into one exam.
 
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Jos,
Welcome to CodeRanch!

The 816 and 819 are equivalent in terms of the knowledge they certify. So no, the 816 won't be less valuable. With either, you get to say you are Java 11 certified!

I recommend taking the 819. There's isn't much time left for the 816 and it would be quite rushed.
 
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And now, to slightly compound the confusion, I notice there's no notice suggesting end of life for the Java 8 certification exams...

Anyone privy to any information on that topic?
 
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Toby Eggitt wrote:And now, to slightly compound the confusion, I notice there's no notice suggesting end of life for the Java 8 certification exams...

Anyone privy to any information on that topic?


Oracle hasn't announced an end of life for those exams yet.
 
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