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We All Know™ that Real Americans® run exclusively on dead dinosaurs. Nothing screams USA! like a monstrous low-mileage vehicle, preferably "rolling coal".

But them danged soy-sippin' commies are plotting against the Good Old USA*

First it was the Texas Power Outage. Real Americans™ sat alone freezing in the dark** while them Tesla-owning commies frolicked in their own private power supplies.

And now this. Our great oil pipeline has been brought to a standstill back hackers and our SUVs are all backing up at the pumps. In the mean time, them elite Tesleratis just laugh.

What's a red-white-and-bllue-blooded Real American™ to do???

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Tim Holloway wrote:. . . monstrous low-mileage vehicle, preferably "rolling coal". . . .

I presume you mean steam trains.
 
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Campbell Ritchie wrote:

Tim Holloway wrote:. . . monstrous low-mileage vehicle, preferably "rolling coal". . . .

I presume you mean steam trains.


Not unless that has become the slang term for lorries that belch black smoke for the pure obnoxiousness of it.

They like to park blocking the EV charging stations and it would be redundant to mention the flags and bumper stickers they typically carry.
 
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Tim Holloway wrote:What's a red-white-and-bllue-blooded Real American™ to do???


Appreciate that Tesleratis do their part as well because 80% of the power they consume is from coal, gas and petroleum anyway. Not only do they contribute to a nice tropical climate in the Good Old USA, they even help out in developing countries with all the Cobalt mines they require for their batteries. It brings a tear to my eye when I think about the good that Tesla is doing in the Congo. Really, their car should be called "Leopold".

The REAL communists are those who wanna build nuclear power plants all over the place. Damn them and their practical eco-friendly solutions.
 
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Tim Holloway wrote:. . . park blocking the EV charging stations . . .

What's an EV charging station? No, wait a minute, I think I have seen one under 2 miles from here. But the correct places to park are in the middle of the street parallel to another vehicle already parked, or on the zigzag lines near pedestrian crossings.
 
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Stephan van Hulst wrote:Appreciate that Tesleratis do their part as well because 80% of the power they consume is from coal, gas and petroleum anyway.


Rest assured, they'll be glad to sell you a Tesla Solar Roof™ and get you off that dirty old grid. Subject to some nastiness by our local power monopolies.

Stephan van Hulst wrote:Not only do they contribute to a nice tropical climate in the Good Old USA, they even help out in developing countries with all the Cobalt mines they require for their batteries.



That's almost as short-sighted as all the investors who think that Tesla is an "automobile company". I won't dispute that virtually any product that comes out of Africa looks to be tainted. But Tesla isn't committed to specific battery technology and in point of fact, I believe that they've been moving out of cobalt and into iron in recent months.

What I think of Tesla's front man is another story, but I won't throw out the baby for the bath water.

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The REAL communists are those who wanna build nuclear power plants all over the place. Damn them and their practical eco-friendly solutions.


I think nuclear would be a lot more popuilar if the power companies hadn't put Homer Simpson on the front line. And, of course, had a more comfortable way of dealing with waste.

In truth, the nuclear plants in Florida have been so innocous that people tend to forget that they're there. Locally, though, we're currently natural gas, but have 3 solar farms up and running with more planned. As does South Florida.

Florida, incidentally, gets almost all of its petroleum fuels via ship, not pipe. But the people at the pumps aren't exactly our intellectual elites.
 
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Tim Holloway wrote:. . . put Homer Simpson on the front line. . . .

I thought it was Matt Groening who did that. The nuclear power plants keep a very low profile on this side of the Pond, too.
 
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Tim Holloway wrote:. . . put Homer Simpson on the front line. . . .

I thought it was Matt Groening who did that. The nuclear power plants keep a very low profile on this side of the Pond, too.



No one thinks of Crystal River or Turkey Point, when you say "nuclear power". They think of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island. That's where "Homer" works.
 
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Chernobyl was the fault of Montgomery Burns, not Homer Simpson.

As for Three Mile Island, I recently saw a really interesting video about the cause of the incident, and how we can learn from such events.

 
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Stephan van Hulst wrote:Chernobyl was the fault of Montgomery Burns, not Homer Simpson.



Well, yes. But who do you think hired Homer?
 
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Oh, but the future and solution is going to be nuclear, but fusion [atomic nuclei are combined] rather than the existing fission [splitting of a large atomic nucleus].  They seem to be making good progress but still a few years away [Firm close to 100M degree fusion.

As for the pipeline, I believe they have now paid the ransom, mostly lightly to some commie country who sponsored the hacking.  From what little I recall about shipping, the US has a law called the Jones Act which is deigned to ensure that oil can be shipped locally between ports in the event of a crisis.  In effect it means that only a US based tanker can operate between two ports in the states.      
 
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Alas, practical fusion has been "a few years away" for 30 years or more. But I do still hope.

I think they were talking out a temporary lift of the Jones Act for the duration, but that's moot now, I think.

As I mentioned, in Florida, most fuel comes in by water. I used to watch barges going up (low-in-the-water) and down (much higher) on the St John's River from the company cafeteria. There's a big generating complex upstream near Orlando and it's hungry.

I saw a picture today of a Tesla with Florida tag and a rack on the back full of gas cans. I figured that either:

A) it's fake.
B) they're loading up the home generator
C) They run a lawn-care service
D) They're dog-in-the-manger jerks.

Presumably we'll hear about it someday.

Incidentally, I try not to get too upset about cars in handicapped spaces. Everyone qualifies. It's just that with some the disability is physical, some it's mental, and some it's moral.
 
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