Originally posted by Anand Prabhu:
Bachi,
Consider the risks involved. You have asserted that there are many so-so people out there who have faked their resumes and have not been fired from their jobs. I admit I don't know in which companies these people work and how they are doing at the job.
I will only narrate a personal experience. We hired a J2EE programmer in Feb 2005 who claimed that he had 5 years Java/J2EE out of a 6 years total experience. My boss is a soft interviewer and we gave him the benefit of doubt as we needed someone very urgently. But the guy was all lost as explained our architecture. Taking into consideration his experience, we would just let him know our requirements and figured that he would be able to figure out how to get the programs done.
While doing the code review, my hair stood on end. It was clear he did not understand OO well. He had written may gigantic and repetitive methods and hardly used inheritance anywhere. The database connection handling were pathetic and his knowledge of core Java was superficial. It was clear to me as during Java/J2EE discussions, he did not have many inputs but would give us plenty of VB/Access examples when we wanted miscellaneous work done. Needless to say, we had to let him go in June. We had given him more than ample time to adjust but he did not deliver (for the experience he claimed).
Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:
Either this thread is nearing the dumping phase or Mr.Bachi's account is going to be deleted soon.
Originally posted by David O'Meara:
Then just fake it or lie. :roll:
I really don't know what to say that isn't just repeating every point made so far. If you aren't going to listen to any of the advice, I don't know why you bother asking.
Originally posted by Saheed Adepoju:
Hi
I just read the postings so far and i feel kinda unhappy! The young man had the courage to announce that there were gonna be some alterations in his CV and it aint his fault! He used some hell of postings to clarify himself! Yes we all agree it's wrong, even he does! The least we could do is help him out with his postings! He wants resources for j2ee, then we give him resources and let him handle himself! My advice is that pick up the SCEA certification and work on yourself, i suppose u would learn alot and have a good certificate to show for it! Above all i wish you all the best! And pls let us all try and got abuse our little community by taking our little frustations on ourselves. Thanks!Do have a nice day!
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
Bullshit. You can find other work. There was a guy on this site who used to drive a truck and taught himself programming in his spare time. You are not forced to lie to get a job. Perhaps with your abilities and experience, you need to lie to get the job you want but I have no doubt that you could find other jobs somewhere in the world and avoid death as the alternative.
--Mark
Originally posted by Amit Saini:
Read up some stuff on build tools like ANT. Thats one thing I can recommend. Be familiar a little bit with version control systems like SourceSafe or Subversion. Know some unit testing tool like JUnit. Know some basic design patterns like Front Controller, Business Delegate, Service Locator etc. I think these items are common to all J2EE projects. You dont really need a book for all this. A few google searches should give you the basics.
[ September 09, 2005: Message edited by: Amit Saini ]
Originally posted by Ramesh Choudhary:
Well said.
Mr.Bachi, no necessity can condone a dishonest act. Many of my friends(in North America) are working in Restuarants, delivering Pizzas, toiling at gas filling stations. Refrain from undertaking any foolhardy adventures. Return home and you will get a good job.
[ September 09, 2005: Message edited by: Ramesh Choudhary ]
Originally posted by KJ Reddy:
How about trying entry level job in Canada itself? Are there not enough job for freshers?
Originally posted by Rob Aught:
Give me a break. I was a fresher once to.
There is no ethical, legal, or moral justification for what you are doing. None. Defend it all you like. You're the one who has to look at yourself in the mirror in the morning.
Just remember what I said about I recommend and occasionally place talent though. I can and do spot people like you. I don't care if you're from India or Indiana. If you're a fraud and I found out, I'll be more than happy to encourage the powers that be to let you go. There are many many people like me out there in the job market. As Abraham Lincoln said, you can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.
Ultimately, this will not end well for you. You may get away with it for awhile, but you will not get away with it forever.
What you are doing is wrong. That is all there is to it.
Oh, and also, you think your degree with save you? I have no Computer Science degree and yet I routinely mentor people who are new to the field. Spotting a recent graduate is not hard. You are lying to yourself if you think you can fake five years of experience. You have no idea what you will learn with five years of real experience. There is a world of difference between the cubicle and the classroom.
[ September 09, 2005: Message edited by: Rob Aught ]
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
I was traveling yesterday and am only just now gtting back to this thread. I apprciat David O'Meara also keeping an eye on it. I am very concerned about where this thread is heading.
I am strongly against lying of any type and feel that what Bachi is doing is wrong. That said, this must still be a civil discussion. I look at Bachi and don't see so much an "evil" person as a misguided one. While you have a right to fel outraged by his actions (or supportive, if that is your position), the best way to influence a person is through a dialog and not a shouting match.
Continued posts in this thread will hopefully continue the discussion and name simply fan the flames.
--Mark
Originally posted by Rob Aught:
Give me a break. I was a fresher once to.
Originally posted by Rob Aught:
Perhaps, but most of us do it honestly.