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Originally posted by pankaj shukla:


Again the demand and supply equation!!!

good that you got it right this time. most of the time it is demand and supply, not "smart" vs "not so smart".

you know some time back people in CM with around 1 yr exp were offered 6 L+, does that mean everybody should have jumped to CM?

Originally posted by pankaj shukla:


atleast in India, developers are paid more than testers and the reason is obvious.

That may be a personal experience. I have seen very compentent people in testing and being paid sometimes higher than others.

given your experience Sasken would be a better choice any day.

PSPL is a one of the best companies to work in Pune.
They may not compete pay-wise with the MNCs, but the quality of work is far better than most companies in Pune.

Good things about PSPL,

1)Good Projects and good Technology.
2)Quality crowd.
3)Very good increments.
4)good work culture. You can switch between projects.
5)Very good infrastructure.
6)Well defined processes.
7)Take good care of their employees.

Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:


the purpose of the interview process isn't about finding the best candidate, it's about finding a good enough candidate in a reasonable time for a reasonable cost.

--Mark

perfect, really well said. Thanks for a great quote.

My two cents 

What could affect the Indian IT industry, in near future:

1) a war, like USA bombing Iranian nuclear installations ... which would sky rocket the oil prices and which in turn will severely slowdown world economy.
2) Change in interest rates in USA, which will affect the American investments, and which will have a direct impact on Indian IT industry.
3) Deteriorating Road and Energy/Power situation, or bad infrastructure in India will deter the growth of IT.


Once there is a slow down in IT expenditure, the first thing to be affected is software development, and people involved in that ...
in that case people in to development will be either made to work on support/maintenance/testing of existing applications... or lose their job. It will have a cascading effect and more or less people engaged in all the phases of sw development will be affected.

So, someone with broader exposure i.e experience of all the phases of sw development will have a definite edge over others.

Also at the time of slowdown, usually corporates downsize their ERP, CRM budget ... people in ERP, CRM domain should be careful ...
and now Build Engg./Configuratuin Mgmt is highly in demand .... but in case of slowdown that activity will be added to the developer/support staff... so these people should add new things to their skill set as a fall back option.

So, the bottom-line is everyone should try to gain as much knowledge as possible in different activities (dev/testing/support/maintenance) and in different domains (telecom/ Finance/ ERP/ CRM etc) ... this will help in growing as an individual and also help you survive in difficult times.

I have heard that usually Indians find it difficult to stay in smaller Chinese cities for long, because of language, food and cultural dissimilarities, but if he gets to work in Bejing, then it would be much better.

jokes apart, it's not just the laptop, but the associated flexibility to work from home, and thats a big plus. I don't understand why this trend is not picking up fast. It's realtively a small investment for the corporates with the potential for very good returns.

even BEA, Banglore also gives laptops to all employees.

Originally posted by Arvind Kumar Patel:
It's actually good news for non-Indians worried about outsourcing, because employers who replace their workers and move to India will realise that there are lots of dishonest Indians who will do anything from filling fake expense forms to faking degrees and/or experience, and thus they will need to spend more money doing background checks during recruitment.

actually no one is bothered as long as they get things done at a considerably lower rate. yes, verification is required when the person is supposed to handle sensitive information, but that is not the case most often.

This will make it less attractive to outsource, although countries such as Brazil or the Philipines could be used instead.

at this point of time no other country can match the service + skill set + no. of resources offered by India, not in the near future either.


I remember another story last year of an Indian call centre selling the bank account details of foreigners to strangers..

This economic fraud is not a phenomenon restricted to India alone. I would say the case you are talking is quite a new thing in India, than in the west,... so, that way the westerner should feel more safe.

[ March 23, 2006: Message edited by: Arvind Kumar Patel ][/QB]

Originally posted by Arvind Kumar Patel:
Lieing is normal in India, Intel recently sacked 500 Indians who faked their timesheets, using it as a second source of income.

This continues to damage the reputations of Indians abroad, which is why employers outside of the country disregard all experience in India, even if it is for a large internationally renowned employer.

I think this is the tip of the iceberg. Indian universities should offer a semester on ethics.

[ March 23, 2006: Message edited by: Arvind Kumar Patel ]

It�s not a question of India or pertaining to India only � its wrong to be judgmental �
Rather, I would say it�s more related to economics.
If you socio-economic background of criminals/ legal-offenders, you would see most often they come from lower strata of the society and economically downtrodden. If you expand the same and take a larger view � India is still poorer among the nations �..
But don�t forget that the scenario was different few centuries ago �
If you go back in history, when India was prosperous � you can see in the travelogues of foreign travelers, how highly they held the ethics of Indian people. It�s just a matter of time �

So, the point is, not to be judgmental or generalize.

this certainly is not a new phenomenon and not that it happens only in India. There are many cases of resume doctoring in US.

It is just a matter of convenience. When it suits the companies they recruit the same people with both arms wide open, and again when they feel like shedding some weight for one reason or the other, they just pick up some poor guys and sack them giving these excuses.

If you feel companies were not aware of these thing earlier, you are too naive.

And if we come down to discuss ethics, blah blah blah ... the world is/ was never a just place ... people create rules as and when it suits them ....
these very companies also many a times resort to unethical means to earn money ....