This may be changing. I cannot speak about the US, but today a strongly-worded letter is going out from the largest group of Muslim clerics in the UK completely condemning violence and urging that all Muslims do their part to foil the groups of extremists who are recruiting Muslim youths and young men for terrorist actions. The letter urges British Muslims to cooperate as fully as possible with the authorities.
I haven't read the letter yet but the newspaper accounts of the wording impressed me with it's sincerity and lack of any attempt to justify terrorism and violence.
Sheikh says Muslims must be tight-lipped
LONDON, April 1 (UPI) -- A British Muslim leader says Muslims cannot cooperate with local authorities against other members of the faith, The Telegraph reported Thursday.
Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad made the remarks on a BBC Radio program in reaction to a call from the Muslim Council of Britain for the community to play its part in the fight against terrorism.
No one is asking for an apology. But a condemnation is definetly necessary. On the other hand, I listen to ordinary American muslims call up talk radio stations and do exactly the opposite. They do not condemn the barbaric acts outright but instead lead the discussion down the path of "Why Americans are there..". One guy even dodged open invitations by the host to condemn such acts
Look, Americans being there or not is a totally different discussion and the 4 people who were butchered yesterday were definetly not there from a military stand point. They were providing security for the delivery of free food to the Fallujah area. And they were butchered! Why cant these people openly condemn such acts. They still dont!!! I just provided you an example of what the CAIR has said.
Schwartz: Wahhabism is official in Saudi Arabia. It is influential in Qatar, Kuwait, and the United Arab Emirates. It has a substantial following in Yemen, which also has many Shia Muslims. It is unpopular in Bahrain and irrelevant in Oman.
Outside the Peninsula, Wahhabism is generally unpopular. But where trouble is found, Wahhabism may thrive. Hamas in Israel represents pure Wahhabism. Forms of neo-Wahhabi or Wahhabized ideology have been powerful in Egypt (the Muslim Brotherhood) and in Pakistan � in both countries neo-Wahhabis lead attacks on other Muslims and other faiths. But in both countries mainstream Muslim scholars continue to struggle against Wahhabism. Wahhabi aggression was defeated in Algeria and Tajikistan.
Wahhabi infiltration continues in Chechnya, to the detriment of the just struggle of the Chechens against Russian imperialism, and in Kashmir, where it is an obstacle to resolution of the conflict. Wahhabi extremism and terrorism continue to plague Nigeria, Uzbekistan, Indonesia, and the Philippines, although its real supporters in these countries are few in number.
But Wahhabi infiltration failed in Bosnia-Hercegovina and suffered a smashing repudiation in Kosovo. Albanian Muslims in Macedonia and Albania dislike Wahhabism, more intensely in the former than in the latter. Wahhabism and its surrogate, the Deobandi ideology of the Taliban, has been defeated in Afghanistan. Wahhabism has no real following in among the Muslim masses in Francophone West Africa, Morocco, Libya, the rest of Central Asia, India, or Malaysia.
As to other Middle Eastern regions and states: Saddam Hussein has used Wahhabism to give his regime an Islamic cover, but Wahhabism is deeply unpopular in Iraq.
Kurdistan is mainly Sufi in its Islam and aside from a handful of mercenary extremists, Kurds reject Wahhabism.
Syria, although a radical Arab state, is Islamically pluralist and rejects Wahhabism completely.
Jordan is ruled by Hashemites, who are traditional enemies of Wahhabism.
Turkish Muslims loathe Wahhabism because of its role in subverting the Ottoman caliphate.
Iran loathes Wahhabism as much or more, because of its massacres of Shias and wholesale destruction of Islamic holy sites, among other issues.
And other trouble spots: Sudan is a case unto itself, although Wahhabi influence has been present in the Khartoum regime.
Wahhabi infiltration is a serious problem in East Africa.
In the Western European immigrant Muslim communities, Wahhabism has a presence in France but has been weakened by the atrocities in Algeria. Britain has a loud Wahhabi, neo-Wahhabi, and Wahhabi-wannabe element but little real support for it among local Muslims. Wahhabism and Islamic extremism in general are weak in Germany, where most Muslims are Turkish and Kurdish.
Lopez: How much of a threat is it within our borders?
Schwartz: Unfortunately, the U.S. is the only country outside Saudi Arabia where the Islamic establishment is under Wahhabi control. Eighty percent of American mosques are Wahhabi-influenced, although this does not mean that 80 percent of the people who attend them are Wahhabis. Mosque attendance is different from church or synagogue membership in that prayer in the mosque does not imply acceptance of the particular dispensation in the mosque. However, Wahhabi agents have sought to impose their ideology on all attendees in mosques they control.
The entire gamut of "official" Islamic organizations in the U.S., particularly the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) are Wahhabi fronts. In other such groups, like the American Muslim Council (AMC) and the Muslim Students Association (MSA) Wahhabism is in crisis, because of the devastating effect of 9/11. In addition, the Wahhabis are deeply compromised by the exposure of individuals like John Walker Lindh, Richard Reid, Jos� Padilla, and John Muhammad.
Fallujah, on the Euphrates River 30 miles west of Baghdad, has a reputation for being a stronghold of support for Saddam Hussein, ousted last month by U.S. forces, and his Baath Party forces.
But residents bristle at the link, calling it a media creation. They acknowledge, however, that, unlike elsewhere in Iraq, senior party officials in Fallujah were not run out of the city or attacked.
Two of Saddam's murals in the city stand defaced, but much of the graffiti glorifying Saddam is left intact. "Saddam: a genius leadership," one reads.
Still, residents say the secular origins of the Baath meant that many shunned Saddam's party in this city of 200,000 people, who overwhelmingly adhere to Wahhabism, the same strict sect of Sunni Islam that rules in Saudi Arabia.
Did you read this, "Insha'Allah I'll fill you in after I get my politics degree in a few years. ;-)".
It says that all the countries where there is problem, its because of politics, it has nothing to do anything with religion.
I think you are talking about fanatic Muslims.
On the other hand where ever Muslims (and to some extent Christians) get a little bit of foothold, they start causing trouble. Their whole ideology is to 'Islam'wash the whole world. Look what they did to Mideast. And their religion encourages them to do the same to all over the world.
>15. Why are muslims so violent? Why can't they live in
>peace with their neighbors?
>Chechnya,Kashmir,Pakistan,USA,UK,etc Everytime they
>get a little power, they declare Jihad.
>16. Now saying we give kashmir independence and it
>goes to Pakistan. why can't we live in peace with
15. Who bothers who?... Insignificant to Islam. ...
16. Same as #15 as far as I can tell.
Hey why do you think I would talk for Saudi/iran/pak (I add it before some inidan nationalist adds it) why do you think that way???
I did not take some kind of "lobbying contract" for Saudi/iran, you are interested not in what I talk but in what I don't .
Worng, this thread talks about "French minister back scarf ban"
I entered the thread to talk about "scarf" ,
Others are dealing with "French minister back ----- ban"
yes I support, I can give proof from Sacred text but then everyone will join and ridicule it.
Hijab in no way offends freedom of others,.
I was talking about one principle of islam called as "Hijab" not about french/saudi/iran/...
originally posted by Paul McKenna just recently:
mm.. Welcome friend.. However I must ask you why you chose the name "Hussein Baghdadi" in particular. It seems like a mix of Saddam Hussein and Baghdad to me.. well Saddam Hussein is not exactly America's best friend and Baghdad isnt exactly very friendly to Americans right now. So why this combination? Or is your real name Hussein and you live in Baghdad..
ME:None of this is news, and it is certainly not particular to treatment of India under the rule of British Imperialism. The practice of drawing raw materials from their colonies and selling back finished products at a greater margin was of course designed precisely with the idea that colonies are money-making ventures.
ME: Of course. The aim of an imperialist economy is to replace a colonial culture with an imperial culture to the degree that it benefits the Crown. This again is not news.
ME:Just one thing: We're not Great Britain. Nor are we politically a direct descendant of British Imperialism. This is the US; we're a democracy. We were once a colony too. We rejected that rule, as did India, in its own time and in its own way and beset with its own particular difficulties.
I echo the concerns indicated by the moderators. The above quote shows why.. And I would also like to state that I categorically disagree with Teri in this regard.
There is a major difference. Accounting is a profession and programming is not. Profession meaning there are certain quality standards, liability, ethics, education requirements. A professional has to conform to those standards, or otherwise he will be not allowed practice. A professional needs liability insurance. If he makes too many mistakes his insurance will go up an ultimately he will not be able to practice. In IT there are no quality standards, no ethics, no liability. For this reason it is easy to outsource or bring in foreign workers. People involved in IT never recognized the need to regulate this occupation and make it a profession, and therefore they pay the price.
I think it's going to be a reprise of 1983, not of 1993. It's not that far off.....
As much as I appreciate the personal stories and viewpoints, I really want people to read this article and provide feedback to the evidence provided in it.